Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

15960626465152

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,343 ✭✭✭amandstu



    "

    "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen," Trump said on the call, according to Donoghue's notes"


    Seems like the stench of Trump's tenure is seeping out.


    Sickening if corroborated.


    EDIT:still, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58020969

    "The US justice department has ordered the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to hand over former President Donald Trump's tax returns to Congress."

    Post edited by amandstu on


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I've honestly lost faith in Trump ever facing consequences for stuff like that. Week after week, month after month, stuff comes out about Trump that should immediately disqualify him from running a library, never mind a country. Yet, he just sails onwards, with his idiot cult base and the spineless Republicans kissing his ring. It's so tiring and horrendous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69



    well Trump supporters think the Clinton’s/Obama’s/Bidens are inter dimensional paedophiles so from their point of view Trumps alleged crimes pale in comparison.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    But yeah Like Boris Johnson a lot of the public don’t care about all the dirt he has done



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's the base that's keeping from jail, arguably. He successfully, by accident or otherwise, created a cult of personality with a significant portion of the GOP's base; if the party sided with any intent to prosecute or punish Trump, the Republicans would be effectively sacrificing that base - and representatives' own candidature when the inevitable Trumpist appeared on the dockets. They stoked these deplorables over the years, and ensured tribalist politics ruled, never thinking ahead it might strangle their own ability to manoeuvre.



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    In news that might not shock too many folks, seems Trump's "beautiful" border wall was shoddily built, to the extent sections are currently falling apart after monsoon rains. Equally, there's evidence it has disrupted the local ecosystem and various migratory animals.

    This is after having bypassed environmental legislation during the original build process; it's almost like maybe government "red tape" operates simply as a preventative to disaster, rather than a burden to progress.




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I haven't been following this thread for some time now, having stayed away from CNN and other news channels for actual trustworthy info as I thought some hosts on the channels were straying towards Fox News bias-style behaviour in an anxiety to push back against some Fox News hosts pronouncements. I had in mind the CNN "Situation Room" news show as it seemed too close to the scary expression "The Situation Room" used for years by networks on national/international events.

    WaPo has a story that the judge hearing the DOJ case against info-wars host Jonathan Owen Shroyer [Alex Jones media outlet] is asking the DOJ to explain its charging decision. The WaPo story has prosecutors saying guidelines involving media were followed involving the charging [I assume this references info possibly being given to the media in advance of the charging]. in other U.S annual events, the NRA has cancelled their meeting in Texas this year. I take it that complications have set in within the NRA on it's policy of holding public mass crowd events. On the right 0f U.S citizens to vote, a court has ruled that South Carolina must allow former felons vote.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Members of the Capitol police are suing trump for inciting the Jan 6th violence.

    Can't see this going down to well with the "our boys in blue are heroes" gop supporters




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I've been wondering what sort of working relationship the CPD has with the GOP elected members of both houses, whether it's mostly cordial but distant or like any with the staunch inhouse 2nd amendment rights members.

    On the issue of Trump lawyers, a Detroit area federal district judge has ruled that the lawsuits filed by lawyers to overturn his electoral loss in Michigan were not about legal issues but were political stunts to undermine the integrity of the election AND has referred the lawyers [the Kraken lady and one other] for disbarment.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Seen that about the lawyers alright and was wondering if the "No reasonable person..." defence would be rolled out again for the board they end up in front.

    As for the Capitol police, who know. But if it was me I wouldn't be killing myself helping out with any requests or say if someone was about to give one of them a slap.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm not sure what to make of this, whether it's a real misunderstanding between Roger Stone and the organizers of a site [GETTR] he's been publicizing on OR fake newsing by Mr Stone for attention. Mr Stone had some strong words to say about his being "suspended" from the site, which also had a large number of fake Roger Stone accounts. Mr Stone used another platform [GAB] to post this: “If you were under the illusion that the new social media website GETTR set up by Mueller informant Steve Bannon and his criminal confederate Jason Miller does not engage in censorship perhaps you can explain why they just suspended my account,” Stone declared, before taking several other shots at both Bannon and Miller.

    In another post, Stone complained that Gettr was “allowing multiple Roger Stone imitators to continue posting,” and said Bannon and “buttboi” Miller would soon “sleep with the fishes, figuratively speaking of course” – though he did not elaborate.

    Mr Miller responded: In a statement to the media, Miller said that “multiple fake Roger Stone accounts were suspended following user complaints, but his real Gettr account was inadvertently suspended too.”

    “His correct account is currently active, and the imposter accounts have all been removed,” he said.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well, once more in News That Should Surprise Nobody... remember how the 2020 election was stolen, apparently? There are still audits taking place, and with stunning predictability, the clowns in charge may have exposed future elections to actual fraud.

    Copies of Dominion Voting Systems softwares used for designing ballots, configuring voting machines and tallying results were distributed at an event this month in South Dakota organized by the MyPillow chief executive, Mike Lindell, a Trump ally who has made unsubstantiated claims about last year’s election.

    Mike Lindell is one of the last remaining, most vocal idiots still trotting out the Stolen Election myth. He crops up a lot in Seth Meyers surprisingly deft summaries of the day/week's current affairs, often a clear target of ridicule.




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,431 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Isn't it the point of these sites to allow "uncensored" right wing discussion? If a million people want to pretend to be Roger Stone to do so, does it matter?

    I'm guessing it's really more about getting control of the censor stick themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Hopefully it opens him up to court action/s by DVS for breaking it's copyrighted material rights, with the GOP also as a co-sued party as well if it gave him the DVS copyrighted material.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There are investigations ongoing into a GOP Election official in small town Colorado that is believed to be the source of the leaked data.

    She is accused of going into the room containing the voting machines late one night over a weekend and sharing screenshots of various configuration pages with Ron Watkins (the guy alleged to be "Q" of QAnon fame".

    She was also in attendance at the MyPillow "CyberSecurity symposium" recently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Out of 510 Capitol Riot defendants facing trial, 12 have pleaded guilty to the charge/s laid against them. Jaocob Chansley AKA Jacob Angeli [the Qanon Shaman] was found competent to stand trial & pleaded guilty today to 1 charge [5 others dropped] and remanded in custody for sentence on 17 Nov. His lawyer told the court and media his client no longer wanted to be known as the Qanon Shaman or associated with the Q in that regard.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,218 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Trump continues to claim 2020 election fraud at his recent rallies to a host of adoring Trump followers. There are millions of them if polls and rallies have any reliability and validity. Yet Trump or Lindell have provided no objective evidence to substantiate their claims in over 60 court trials across the USA since the election, or by any other objective means. Given his Trump follower base, it appears that Trump would win the Republican nomination for 2024 if voted today. What about couple years from now? Will the Trump base persist, or slip away like the Republican Tea Party?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Possibly Trumps name would fade off the Republican Party card-list if Giuliani is brought to trial in respect of his Ukraine activities on behalf of his then client and it looked like evidence was given in the courtroom directly linking Trump to illegal activities by lawyer Giuliani contrary to US law. The GOP should be getting tired of the recorded phone conversations popping up again and again between those chosen by Trump to further his presidential ideals, thoughts and plans. It all depends if trial evidence was given before Giuliani left the party scene.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Congressman Kevin McCarthy has decided to reuse the William Barr playbook and is claiming that the FBI have cleared the former president of all responsibility for what happened on January 6th which I’ll admit I’ve tried to not follow everything surrounding trump since he left office, but have the FBI made any statement remotely close to that in the past eight months ?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,218 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Old saying attributed to “King Fish” Long. Good news is the best news. Bad news is the 2nd best news. But no news is bad news for a politician. So long as Trump gets any kind of news, he wins.

    Trump noted this in the best selling book about the art of making a deal (which he had ghost written and did not write himself). Making “sensationalist” and “outrageous” statements attracts the news media. That gives you notice and there are far too many Americans that are willing to fallow a piper. Legal actions against Trump and his immediate circle draws the news media. Gives Trump air time, and plays into his GOTs and his 2024 election bid.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The discerning thing for US voters to do then would be to ignore the liar and all his publicity efforts, deny him air. The snag is each state has its own GOP party and as long as he is allowed to use it for his own benefit state by state at the personal gain whim of the local GOP politicians and media buffs, he'll be around for a while yet. As for getting a chance to successfully run as the GOP contender for 2024, that's up to his enemies to scupper.

    Another way of stopping him is to keep making links between him at a personal level of misuse of campaign funds, convince the funders [private and party] he's just into the bid for election to con money out of them for personal use and to pay off debts he's run up unconnected to either of his campaigns. Just keep publicising all the charities he's allowed his name to be directly linked to which have been proven to be awash with illegalities to misuse the donations given them. He's not the only person capable of tailoring information to suit a purpose - Crooked Hillary - sling enough mud and crank him up to a public eruption on something before the courts, preferably the USSC. All's fair in politics, as he's proven with his style.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,218 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Report by cnn opinion that Trump is running 2024. He has already been running several campaign rallies during 2021. Rallies are the only thing he does well. He does not know how to govern given his performance during 4 years. Or the fact that he never held a public office before 2016. A large minority adore him. He entails all their prejudices. Cheering them on and telling them what the want to hear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,218 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    At the risk of being cliche, it is a long time before November 2024. Trump caught Covid. He could manifest long term affects between now and then. Lots of “ifs” that no one can predict today.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The absolute only way Trump wins is by wholesale Voter suppression - Which to be fair the GOP are going all out to achieve , but it still may not be enough.

    Trump is utterly toxic outside of that hardcore GOP base. He will do absolutely nothing to appeal to Biden voters or Independents and if he continues to make everything about how he was robbed in 2020 he hasn't a chance.

    He will lose the popular vote by a very wide margin , but like I said - Flip Georgia, Arizona and a couple of others by tiny margins via wholesale Voter suppression etc. and he might just squeak back in.

    The Mid-terms will tell us a lot - If the GOP take back either chamber , then Trump has a shot with the aforementioned caveats.

    If the Democrats hold on or even expand their control , he and the GOP are toast in 2024.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    This opinion is based on what exactly?


    Least year we were told repeatedly that Biden was a terrible candidate; borderline senile, corrupt, but somehow still too boring to beat Trump. Biden won in a near landslide.


    Since Biden won we’ve had non stop whinging from Trump about the election being rigged. We’ve had the capital riot on the 6th of January. Biden has governed unspectacularly and competently.


    Trump is going to energise his base but won’t sway one swing voter back with this nonsense. What exactly do you think he’ll do to take back the middle ground.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Trump is facing legal actions on several fronts entailing corruption and tax fraud. He only has to lose one of these seriously and he is toast.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    The world is about to be engulfed by global warming chaos… we don’t need Trump in the mix …. Him running alone is enough to further destabilise America



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'd never rule out Trump making a comeback and adding a new answer to that classic trivia question about non-consecutive presidents ... but in doubling down in both the "stolen election" narrative and the anti-vaccination/mask one, it begs the question: how is he going to entice the swing or independent voters in the next election with brazen extremism? Aside from being a known, controversial quantity from his actual years in charge, his year in the wilderness has not shown any form kind of Road to Damascus moment; quite the opposite. He has become more belligerent, more bitter.

    The only thing keeping him relevant is the GOP insisting on courting Trump's base, that frothing, angry cohort who are statistically important enough in various districts and states to be worth engaging with.



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That is indeed the Rock and the Hard place that the GOP have put themselves between.

    They need to keep Trump onside because his MAGA base will ensure that anyone that pushes back against him to any great extent will get Primaried and potentially lose the party nomination. The flip side of that is that by keeping him close and pandering to his lunacy, they are building an ever more insurmountable barrier between them and moderate/independent voters.



Advertisement