I'm still here don't worry.
Soooo how's that egg holding up?
If/when they get into government they are absolutely screwed on this matter. The boys in West Belfast who still run the show won't let them attend these commemorations, but they are free to organise and attend anything related to the PIRA campaign of murder an violence, in order the show case a revisionist view of the conflict.
Can you imagine an SF minister going to a PIRA commemoration, a commemoration of a terrorist outfit that didn't recognise the state, the Dail, the Gardai, or the defence forces? How is middle Ireland going to react to such an occurance?
Not for me to say.
You accuse another poster of labelling people in a post, yet when I can't see it, you refuse to point out what he is labelling.
What sort of antics are that?
looks like sinn fein should start preparing for govt , fg , and possibly ff too have been caught at the old corruption and cronyism yet again .
expect this thread to see a bit of a revival in activity tonight , fg and fg the partys full of parasites look to be on course to crash and burn over this !
wish i was home to see it hahaha !
as a member of middle ireland i won't care, i will be voting for them regardless.
now i can't speak for others, but i suspect most people have simply moved on and recognize that SF have a history, are open about it and are prowd of it come what may, which is a good thing.
better then other political parties trying to wipe away their history which is exactly along the same lines as SF.
They have a history of murdering innocent civilians and are proud of it, you say?
Thankfully that opinion is in the minority.
Who said they are proud of murdering civilians? You need to cut the falsities. I suppose if circular dishonest debate is your thing, truck on.
A growing majority of the electorate have more pressing concerns than the troubles/conflict.
not what was said of course but you know that.
they have a history of fighting for irish freedom and the liberation of northern ireland that they are proud of.
yes civilians did die during those times and i agree, i doubt anyone is proud of it but the only difference between sf and ff/fg is how recent the history of armed resistance happened.
I think that your final sentence is quite a bit of a presumption, a chara
Let them fixate on it. Keeps them busy while the rest of the country moves on. I expect some other family to be wheeled out and used in the weeks preceding the next election. Worked out swell the last time.
exactly, its over for them and they need to get used to it.
people are sick of the same old and they are going to try something new, if it doesn't work out well then at least we tried but enough is enough.
The poster said they have a history and should be proud of it. That history includes murdering scores of innocent civilians including women and children. Fun fact: They killed way more innocent people than the British Security forces they were meant to be fighting.
*Checks the map, See's Northern Ireland still being part of the United Kingdom with armed British Security personal with boots on the ground*
Sorry now, who liberated what from whom? I think some posters are getting awfully confused about things.
no they didn't.
this is just something those unable to except that the IRA got mostly what they wanted, tell themselves so as to come to terms with that, and the fact that britain would never have militarily defeated the IRA.
they liberated it from orange rule, which implemented a sectarian, apartheid state.
it's part of britain in name only, britain simply biding it's time until the border pole is called and a UI is voted for.
No they didn't what?
A history of killing innocent women?
A history of killing innocent children?
A history of killing more Catholics and civilians than the British Security forces?
All of the above?
You need to check the history. The raison d'etre of the PIRA was a United Ireland. They failed in their primary goal. The rest is fluff and fairytales.
A part of the Uk in name only?
Is that why Westminister is ultimately sovereign in Northern Ireland? Your sense and understanding of history and politics is laughable tbh.
i have checked it, security forces and proxis killed more civilians and deliberately so.
actually the primary goal of the PIRA was to protect against the brutality of the security forces, a united ireland being a major goal came a bit later on.
they are going to get a UI via the ballot box, so ultimately they will get everything they wanted, they have already got everything else they wanted.
There are delusional views of the successes of the PIRA and then there is this.
Part of Britain in name only???? Shure we have loads of people on here telling us it isn't part of Britain.
You cant even get the basics right of the PIRA history.
The primary aim of the PIRA was a United Ireland by force.
As to your claim, it's factual nonsense. I know that. You know that.
the british government don't see the people there as british really, same with many of the actual british people.
not to mention that britain withheld it via blackmail and the threat of violence.
so yes, ultimately part of britain in name only, but not part of britain in actuality.
it was not the primary goal at first.
that was to overthrow sectarian rule, protect against brutality and implement equal rights.
later on a UI became the main goal because it was felt, and it was quite clear, that britain were not going to implement equal rights and remove the sectarian state.
Still discussing the history of an inactive organisation that signed up to peace 20 odd years ago? Desperate times indeed 😎
Sinn Fein thread, FYI.
Oh ok, I will play this game.
When exactly was a United Ireland desire, bolted onto the PIRA campaign list?
Monaghan and Donegal the two counties with lowest inoculation rates in the country, it’s reported.
Where are the high profile Shinner TDs like Doherty and big lad in Donegal and Carthy in Monaghan on the blower urging folk in those counties to get vaccinated.
Seems to be more pre occupied with arse boxing on other issues.
Dont seem to be too concerned about a National Public Health pandemic, more interested in political
opportunities for their party.
Clearly a lot of thought was put into that brain storm before posting it.
Just because they didn't get "inoculated in the Irish state, doesn't mean they aren't "inoculated".... See below.
It had been posted often enough at the time, as to how the north was flying ahead of us down here at the time, with vaccinations. Could it be, Brendan Bendar, could it be, that perhaps lots of Monaghan and Donegal natives work cross border, attend school cross border, socialise cross border, intermarried with folks either side of the border, and so will be registered with the NHS etc?
You wouldn't suppose thousands of these might made the relatively short trip across to the neighbouring counties and availed of these vaccines at the time?
Anyone registered with a GP in NI (e.g. a cross-border worker) and therefore entitled to access health services in NI will be eligible to receive the vaccine in Northern Ireland. They should be invited to receive the vaccine in due course as the GP reaches their priority group.
Anyone registered with a GP in NI (e.g. a cross-border worker) and therefore entitled to access health services in NI will be eligible to receive the vaccine in Northern Ireland.
You can break out of character now. Angry Brendan is about to appear I expect.
Figures state a different story,a chara.
Donegal with Monaghan the highest incidences and not a peep out of Paschal and Mattie about it.
More interested in the negative side of things.
Thats what’s ahead of us if these lads get in.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-hard-hit-monaghan-donegal-have-lowest-inoculation-rate-1.4668466
Well then I would surmise that you're missing the point.
The HSE won't have the records of those people who have availed of the vaccines North of the border, the incidence rate might also be because of the cross border travel that goes on in those counties for all the reasons I stated earlier, "inter county marriage, cross border workers, schooling" etc.
There's a myriad of possible reasons for those counties in particular to have a higher incidence rate than other counties, trying to pin it on Sinn Fein is presumably a very dismal effort at satire.
Hmmm…. What am I trying to ‘pin’ on SF.
My point is there is little or no action on this from the usually loquacious SF TDs in that area?
More attention to other issues from these, not a peep out of them on this issue.
Suppose it wouldn’t be politically advantageous…….so stay clear 😎
