The reverse vending machines will accept both plastic PET drinks bottles and aluminium cans. For every unit deposited a customer will receive a €0.10 voucher in return with a maximum voucher limit of €2.
Currently only Lidl in Glenageary will accept empty cans and bottles
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0903/1244522-lidls-deposit-return-scheme/
Could someone be smart and stockpile 3.6million cans in their back garden now and then process them once it's in place in 2023, this making €720k if they give 20cent on the can?
There'll be a specific company setup to run this scheme
Now it all makes sense!
For the people who are already diligently disposing of their cans and bottles into their recycling bin, this is just more hassle though.
And its future impact on recycling bin prices for the ordinary consumer is unclear, if the presence of these items in the green bins has to some extent been subsidising the rest.
Know someone who used to sell these machines internationally. It's quite a mature industry and these machines are fully automated.
It definitely helps. Its not planning a trip to a bottle bank, you can drop them off as you go to a supermarket which for most people is every few days. It means you don't have a big build up of bottles/cans.
People who throw away cans on the street wont be encouraged to recycle by this, however what i see in the Netherlands is homeless people will pick them up and return them. It leads to less trash on the street.
You're in Ireland, home of the screw up.
Sometimes yes but there are companies who specialise in designing and installing these things. As others have said it is the norm in many European countries.
They don't take glass bottles, it's only PET and Alu, so you'll still need to go the the bottle bank.
All this is doing is removing valuable material from the recycling stream so the cost of the green bin will increase and people will have to spend their valuable time individually inserting plastic bottles and alu cans into a machine that they already have a easy quick way of getting rid of them.
I'll keep repeating that what happens in other counties with homeless people checking bins for PET and Alu will happen here but our streets, parks and beaches will be left in a terrible state as all the other rubbish will be dumped on the ground and left for the council or volunteers to tidy up.
So it is not a full refund its just another tax paying an extra 20c on beverages and only getting 10c back
Just think the overall benefits aren't worth it. People who would do this are going to be recycling at home anyways now.
This is just another **** thinly veiled tax. If I'm in a work canteen or college canteen or wherever in town am I supposed to bring the can home with me?
Glad I'm not the only one who thought this a little odd, scam greenwashing exercise.
One of us has misunderstood this.
My understanding is that currently there is a 10c refund in Lidl. When the scheme goes nationwide, there will be a 20c charge at point of sale and 20c refund when you bring it back. Otherwise there might just be a big backlash
I hate the whole idea. I already diligently recycle, washing and drying bottles and cans before putting them in my recycling bin or bringing bottles to a bring bank. I can't imagine how these machines are going to work with dirty bottles, product residues everywhere and the inevitable delays when someone decides its time to clear out a month or so of their recyclables. Make waste and recycling bins compulsory for every household, add it onto the property tax/ household charge. Might work fine in other countries but my experience with bottle banks and how they are abused here makes me skeptical.
Such drama lol
This is basically the same as the 20 cents you put into a trolley when you go shopping.
Now you could be on to an idea here 🤣
Well part of the problem with bottle banks is they arent emptied enough. Go look at your local one after a long weekend and they are normally over full with people leaving bottles on the ground around them.
except its not. Its 20c per bottle and you only get it back when you return the bottle in a few days/weeks time.
20c on a crate of 20 adds 4€ to the upfront cost. Not a lot of money, but add up the multiples that will be in circulation and effectively somebody is being bankrolled by bottle/can users. You'll be guaranteed the slieveens will be out and go bust with money going missing. Not a lot to you or I individually, but somebody will make a lot of money out of it somewhere.
Except it is
Deposit paid for X, deposit returned for X when X is returned
Whether X is 1 trolley, or 20 trolleys or 1 bottle or 20 bottles, the equation remains the same
you've played the game with 3 cards before? Queen is always in sight until its not. Bit like your money on these schemes.
Except in the trolley you can always see it and remove it.
You cant remove it until you return it, same as cans and plastic bottles soon :)
No, you can be pretty certain that barcodes on all applicable items will change once the scheme is in place. The machines will reject items that a deposit has not been paid on, as is the case currently in the many countries that already operate this system.
Not sure where people are getting this from after reading the article in full.
The 10c is purely in relation to Lidl's pilot scheme which does NOT involve payment of a deposit. Essentially it's a very clever PR exercise on Lidl's behalf to bolster their environmental credentials and drive footfall.
The deposit rate(s) for the national scheme have not been set yet but it's suggested it'll be in the region of 20c. Whatever the rate(s) will be, they will be fully refundable.
You aren't trying hard enough 😅
and you are trying too hard my friend
I had a go on the machine earlier today.
Raided the green bin and found 23 items to return. Some plastic, mostly cans. Its quick, few teething problems with not accepting some of the cans. Even takes the little tonic water cans
Free money! Hope you spent it well!
https://twitter.com/lidl_ireland/status/1433792681080131584
Was up there today with some bottles from a multipack and none were accepted as they didn't have barcodes. Shame as most multipacks won't have barcodes on the individual bottles
Really not the idea at all.
I lived in Holland 20 years ago and every supermarket charged at the time 10c for every bottle purchased and you returned it you got your money back.They're not recycled then but reused.by the drinks companies.
It's a very simple scheme and it works and should be implemented everywhere here. It will lead to recycling and also stop littering.
You know it's very easy to be negative and just see problems with solutions that work.
Why come up with examples that vast majority of people do not behave as you describe above and just because some people will do things wrong then it does not mean a new measure should be introduced.
The scheme is proven to work in other countries decades ago and should be here.
We already have recycling from the kerb side. So in order to make the new system work we have to remove the valuable products from the kerbside recycling bins. If the cost of recycling goes up more people will dump illegally.
We already have a huge problem with general litter and fly tipping in this country, something that countries with deposit system don't have, what is a 20c deposit on a PET bottle or Aluminium can going to do to solve this? Just like the big news just announced that you can now put soft plastic in the recycling bin, it's not getting recycled it's just getting burnt somewhere else.
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