Exporting slurry IS used as part of the calculations.
No.
No it’s not.
Yes it is if it's used as a means to reduce your 5% nitrates figure.
You have linked to Annex 3 a few times.
did you read it?
Read the first paragraph below and then offer your apologies.
No it is not. The only person confused here is yourself.
You stated a few posts back that exports can’t be used and now you’re saying they can.
Exports CANNOT be used to meet the reduction. It is solely based on what is PRODUCED on your holding.
Nobody has to take my word for it, ask your advisors, contact the department or read the terms and conditions but I can assure the answer will be the same.
you have to read back on all the posts, starting with Tanko's post asking if he could import pig slurry.
I did.
And the first reply from Bass said he could do what he liked and it would have no impact (positive or negative on Beam) as import/export makes no difference.
its like two different threads here.
You can read every single post on the whole Boards website if you like. The answer to the question being asked by Tanko will still be the same.
Exports or Imports are NOT used in the calculations for beam.
Exports of slurry are calculated if you try to use it as a means to achieve the 5% reduction. I keep saying it, it's in the T&C's.
Please provide the link and the statement where this is in the T n Cs.
You refuse to read my posts. Are you able to read?
“The reduction is measured on the Bovine livestock manure nitrogen from animals on the holding, it cannot be reduced by the exporting of slurry or by claiming additional land to offset the figure”
It doesn't say that slurry exports are used to calculate your nitrates but it goes without saying that you cannot export slurry in order to reduce your nitrates. If you try to do so then those figures would probably be used as a stick to beat you if you haven't achieved the 5% reduction.
Did other people receive their letters last week confirming that they had met the requirements of the scheme. It was a good enough scheme for those who were feeding/finishing a few although the confusion over the mix up of the Balancing figure letter was unfortunate.
What are you **** on about. Exports or imports of slurry is **** nothing to do with it. You can export 100 percent of your slurry and this scheme won’t even notice or care.
jesus you can’t argue with stupid.
I think I partly understand what you’re trying to say now but you’re describing a scenario that’s not possible to happen.
I think what you mean is if a farmer in beam tries to declare that he has reduced his slurry by 5% by exporting slurry that the department won’t accept this and will then use the figures he has given for exports so therefore by your reckoning the export figures are then included in the calculation, is that it?
If this is what you mean then you are describing a situation that’s impossible to be in. There is nowhere that a farmer can declare their figures or there is no method for a farmer to add in or take away amounts. The figures are calculated by the department based on your herd numbers on AIM. There is nowhere that imports or exports can be added or taken away so it is never possible for a farmer to even try and declare they have exported slurry for beam.
To put it in plain and simple english, as we have been saying all evening, Imports and exports are not used in Beam calculations and make no difference to you production figures.
If that’s not what you’re trying to say then I give up!!
That is exactly correct, you can export 100% of your slurry and Beam doesn’t know or care. You can import 100% of the slurry from every other farmer in the country if you so wish and Beam doesn’t know or care because Imports and Exports are not used in Beam calculations!
What I am saying is that under the T&C's exporting slurry in order to reduce your nitrates isn't allowed. You, Bass and 893 stated that exports aren't calculated yet DAFM state Slurry exports are not reckonable as reduction.
Anyway getting back to Tanko's question - BEAM T&C's only mention the reduction of Bovine slurry so therefore by my reckoning the importation of porcine slurry doesn't apply. However, I would discuss same with an Ag advisor before importing same in case it impacts on your overall nitrates figure.
exports are not calculated is equal to exports are not reckonable.
not calculated = not reckonable
not=not
calculated = reckonable
Jesus Christ
What are you on about.
check with **** no one. Do what you like with slurry.
It means **** all. it won’t help you or hinder you.
If exporting helped base would meet it based on the shite he is spreading.
What you’ve highlighted in Bold is what we’ve been saying all day and you’re trying to tell us we are incorrect. You’ve contradicted yourself more than anyone else on this thread today I think.
I have tried to give you an option of getting out of this with some bit of dignity left!
Reading through some posts on this thread recently,some need to go easy with their use of words.
It ain't life or death on here just yet.or a court of law.
I think you are being very harsh - base price has always contributed very helpful and sound advice in her commentary.
I may have been. And I apologise to base if I offended them and for being aggressive in my posting .
But it has been explained 6 or 7 times to no avail. I have an 18 month old child who can now explain that import and export of slurry is outside the scope of this scheme now at this stage.
The past few post seem to be posters agreeing with each other but telling the other they are wrong.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! You learn something new everyday
Got a letter to repay the money today…..made a mistake by changing the ref period. Should have kicked it on to next year
Tell them you didn't realise you had pressed the wrong button/option until you got their letter. No skin off their noses anyway.
We got a letter too. Going to ring them tomorrow.
How are they proposing the repayment? Taken from bps? All in one lump sum or a phased payment plan?
It's not a big amount here. I will probably pay it in 2 bits, it was in my dad's herd number and he has no land this year, so no bps.
Do you mean you made a mistake by not changing the ref period to the end of the year? (it can’t be kicked onto next year)
