the reason we are on page 151 is there are strongly held opinions on both sides of the Bailey guilty/innocent argument,where I probably differ from you is I accept Garda corruption/incompetence and Baileys guilt are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I find it hard to believe that so many locals ,ordinary decent folk would collude to such a degree to pin a murder on Bailey because he was a Brit or because they all disliked his personality,I just find these folk believeable and convincing.I am not OJ certain of Baileys guilt but I think he is the most likely one to have done it .
The knicker nicking neighbour.
Your perception of him being the most likely to have done it is surely skewed given the fact that the guards don't appear to have gone after anyone else. The guards have continually pushed the narrative that Bailey did it and have gone out of their way to try and make their assertions fit. But there really are more likely suspects - Alfie and Leo for a start. Not for one moment saying either of those did it but they are in fact more likely candidates than Bailey.
I agree the main focus of the guards was primarily on Bailey,but even allowing for that if he had never changed his Alibi ,hadnt denied having the fire ,contradicted numorous credible witnesses and made multiple confessions allied to a propensity for violence I would being saying nothing to see here.To say Alfie has the same amount of suspicion around him or Leo is not correct IMO.
I totally agree that Alfie and Leo don't have the same amount of suspicion towards them but that's due to the gardai bias towards Bailey. The suspicion around them and the likelyhood of one of them carrying out the murder are two completely separate things. Take Alfie for example, it is a fact he knew the deceased, it is a fact he was in the vacinity at the time of occurance and a motive can be argued also seeing as it's established he had disagreements with her in the past. A locked/unlocked gate is a very tenuous thing but sometimes that's all it takes. None of the above can be said about Bailey. And again i'm not saying Alfie did it but he is far more credible a suspect than Bailey. But the spin put on this against Bailey is keeping such suspects/eventualities well out of the limelight.
You speak of credible witnesses. Who are they? What deems them credible?
So Alfie, who has an alibi, has no known history of violence, and who appears to have been physically incapable of chasing down and killing a young woman with a concrete block, is "far more a credible suspect than Bailey" ? Jesus wept.
Absolutely. He knew the victim, was at the scene and there is a potential motive. Of course he is a suspect and a more credible one than Bailey based on the above. The interview I saw him in he looked healthy enough by the way. He was capable of opening/closing a heavy gate wasn't he. Can't have been that frail. Again, not saying it was him but just pointing out why he would be deemed a suspect, moreso than Bailey.
Alfie's alibi is no weaker nor stronger than Bailey's.
Alfie may not have done it but the seemingly skant investigation of that possibility is not helpful to the broader case.
Anybody see that third wine glass in the Reddit thread? More indicative of an early morning death imo.
did Alfie have a second go at his Alibi when his partner rendered his first effort as untrue?
now there is a third wine glass? Link? loads of reddits posts on Sophie
has no known history of violence
Doesn't mean he had no history of violence does not mean he had either
Bailey would hardly have to have hit her so many times him being so strong. A weaker person, or maybe a woman, may have had had to strike more blows
This reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/o3pwll/with_the_new_netflix_documentary_coming_out_do/ says Sheridan book claims Sophie’s housekeeper had felt it was Alfie who was using her bath. Why would Alfie use the bath? Has anone heard that?
Sophie’s housekeeper had felt it was Alfie who was using her bath
Like when Jules had bites, punches, kicks, hair torn out and hit with aluminium crutches?
Ah.... The plot thickens. We have another member to add to the star studded cast of West Cork:
Enter : The Knicker Sniffer!
Maybe his water pipes or water heater were broken.
How does this 3rd wine glass point to an early morning death?
Moonie keep your posts separate to mine. you are on my ignore list so do not quote me again and please delete your reply to my comment. Not interested in your one sided rants. you even got my point wrong and your reply is meaningless.
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I think the notion that the killer was the ex boyfriend or some goon hired by the husband has always been fanciful. It was Bailey who postulated both these theories as well as those of her alleged promiscuity and her entertaining a string of lovers at the cottage.
No, I'm presenting a reasonable answer to your question. No debate needed.
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Marie Farrell accused him of stealing her underwear,
Her husband Chris beat him up and he ended up going to hospital.
The Knicker sniffer is Mr.C
https://www.scribd.com/document/521097616/Sophie-Toscan-Du-Plantier-Key-Witnesses
Why so defensive? I've wondered myself why Alfie would need to break in and use the next door bathroom facilities. Josephine Hellen made the determination it was Alfie and not some unknown vagrant. When Alfie's house was listed for sale it was described as "needing much renovation work". You could see from the interior pictures the place had not been maintained well. Apparently, one of the main reasons for Sophie's visit was to make sure her heating system had been repaired properly and her house would be okay for the winter. Water pipes burst if the heat is inadequate. I've had it happen. So the possibility of Alfie's pipes having problems seems reasonable. I haven't read anywhere if Alfie was actually questioned about this, or if he was it wasn't reported. And I'm obviously speculating - but why else would anyone break-in to their neighbors house to use the bathroom facilities?
I’ll take any instructions from the mods. I’m sorry to hear that opinions that contradict yours cause you some sort of upset but this attempt to stigmatise anyone who disagrees is pretty transparent.
Bailey was a journalist at the time and in frequent contact with French sources as well as Irish. Probably got further than the gards who were given a cup of tea by the French and told to go home with their tale between their legs, embarrassing. Even more ridiculous when you consider our Dept. of Justice gave over the garda file to the French when they wanted to investigate. One rule for them and one rule for us, is it.
Even looking back on Sophie Du Plantiers sons interview on Friday night, saying they helped us with the financial crisis and now we should help them. What kind of nonsense is that, the reason why we have such a huge debt now as a country is because we primarily secured French & German banks investments in Ireland. We took the hit, not them. This is an insight into the level of delusion amongst the French not to mention the justice for Sophie crew.
Also, its not beyond the realms of possibility that she had other lovers there, we know of at least one. Also, she used to go there frequently on her own, was not happy in her marriage and was known have to more affairs than just the one with Carbonnair. She was married twice, having at least one affair in her second marriage, married a rich man who actually bought the house for her., all by the time she was 38. A shrinking violet or nun she was not.
CowgirlBoots My sincere apologies. I did not know what i was getting a reply to. The site is really messed up re quotes. I cannot follow it. In relation to your suggestion i suppose it is possible but a long shot I would say. I cannot imagine sneaking into someone's house if i needed a bath and my bath was not working
if you respond or quote me again i will complain and if you do not remove my post i will complain. Don't want to be involved in your dogma. You stay out of my posts and i will stay out of yours. Plenty space to make your points as stand alone posts just please do not quote me. I will consider it harrassment if you persist.
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So i request you do not disrespect \harass\stalk me by quoting/replying to what I write.Do not follow or communicate with me. Make your own points as stand alone posts not quoting me. i will do likewise. I have said a couple weeks ago i did not want to discuss anything with you.
Can anyone tell me how to contact mods or report.There used to be a report button. I am not seeing now and contact us is page not found. There used to be a list of mods too Ok i see hello@boards.ie
Not a fan of Moonunit, but this attitude is just plain childish.
IB writing in Big Issue tomorrow
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/ian-bailey-writes-first-account-of-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-murder-arrest-40805694.html
Good to see, now we can properly hear the accused's version of events without propaganda pieces on Netflix & other sources willing to convict an innocent man based on scant evidence. I'm sure this will address many mistruths and expose the widespread corruption involved in attempting to paint him as the murderer.
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