At the very least the PS5 will hopefully ensure quicker loading times for fast travelling and more importantly that the console won't sound like it's about to explode if I stay on the map screen too long like it did with HZD, I'll be happy enough.
If the game runs at a similar quality to the original Horizon on PS4 - and, as a cross-gen sequel, that’s very possible - it’ll be perfectly playable. No doubt the PS5 will run smoother and at a higher resolution with more image detail. But Guerrilla, if nothing else, are known for their technical chops so I’m sure they’ll do a good job across both consoles.
TBH, I’m not sure we can expect next-gen focused design (not just graphics) from either this or God of War 2 if they’re targeting previous gen consoles anyway. I mean their predecessors looked bloody fantastic anyway, and these will surely look even better. But the sort of super fast, responsive design enabled by the SSD possibly won’t be as evident in the cross gen titles.
There'll be Performance or Quality modes, 4k or 60fps. I presume it's the same for the PS4 version.
I've a feeling the PS4 version will acquit itself well against the PS5. There's a law of diminishing returns with graphics and while the PS5 version may look better I'd say it will be slight. I don't really see too big a gap between the systems and Guerilla have shown they can do an awful lot on the PS4. Pretty sure it's targeting 30 FPS on both systems, correct me if I'm wrong?
But if someone can't afford a PS5 then they won't be paying the upgrade cost anyway? I'm not trying to be awkward but looking at this logically there seems to be an obvious and easy way around this. It just seems more sensible to wait until you can obtain/afford a PS5 and if one doesn't plan on getting a PS5 then there's no need for worry.
Money! Not everyone can afford one. Although I will be purchasing PS5 next year
Of course but why not wait until they can? I know it's hard but this shortage won't last forever.
Probably because not everyone can get their hands on/afford a ps5...
I don't understand why anyone would want to play this on the PS4 tbh. I remember when Horizon Zero Dawn previews were being shown and it was so pretty that I forgot that all the previews were for the PS4 Pro so when I first booted it up on base console I was thrown off my how much less saturated the colours were. My eyes adapted but it never lived up to the Pro previews, visually.
The PS5 preview they showed (running at 30 fps) for Forbidden West is not gonna look like that on your PS4. You're gonna be playing a downgraded version. It won't even have the hero lighting effect. Why the rush?
Just checked to see if they were gonna pull a fast one, but PS4 version is still €10 cheaper on the store.
If I remember correctly Mile Morales and Sackboy launched at the same price on both PS4 and PS5
Yeah. I'm glad they relented on this one given their previous statement. Still not a fan of the idea of future PS4 to PS5 first party titles having a price difference at all, as again they're moving further away from the value that Xbox is offering rather than moving towards to compete with it.
Seems to be the way for Horizon but going forward any other game upgrade will be a tenner.
So am I right in thinking that if planning to play on PS5, pick up the PS4 copy and upgrade to PS5 for free saving a tenner?
Translation; "We tried to pull a fast one and you fúcks caught us. Fine, have your free upgrade. Its the last one you're getting."
Thursday was to be a celebration of Horizon Forbidden West and the amazing team at Guerrilla working to deliver it on February 18, 2022. However, it’s abundantly clear that the offerings we confirmed in our pre-order kickoff missed the mark.
Last year we made a commitment to deliver free upgrades for our cross-gen launch titles, which included Horizon Forbidden West. While the pandemic’s profound impact pushed Forbidden West out of the launch window we initially envisioned, we will stand by our offer: Players who purchase Horizon Forbidden West on PlayStation 4 will be able to upgrade to the PlayStation 5 version for free.
I also want to confirm today that moving forward, PlayStation first-party exclusive cross-gen titles (newly releasing on PS4 & PS5)–both digital and physical*–will offer a $10 USD digital upgrade option from PS4 to PS5. This will apply to the next God of War and Gran Turismo 7, and any other exclusive cross-gen PS4 & PS5 title published by Sony Interactive Entertainment.
— Jim Ryan, President & CEO, Sony Interactive Entertainment
From the official PS Blog
There is another option that was alluded to earlier in the thread: Just wait until you've got a PS5. You'll be playing the best version of the game, cheaper and all patched up. I don't agree at all with Sony's approach here but a little patience from consumers goes a long way. If everyone did this it would hurt sales and Sony would realise that this business model does not work.
Lots of anger here based on personal opinions. My own personal opinion is that I loved HZD, and I'm excited for FW. I think the extra immersion from the DS is worth paying a bit extra, along with all the other benefits over the 4. I don't make games, but I'm sure it's not as easy or straight forwards as some people think to make it stable for both consoles. For single player MT-free games, I again don't mind the extra. If I didn't have a 5 and got it on 4, and for some reason would want to play it again on the 5 (I rarely replay games), I wouldn't mind extra if there were benefits. And those benefits are again based on personal preference. I love the DS, other people think it's a gimmick. Mad how opinions differ.
And it's true, lots of people will turn off/down the haptics (I don't like gyro myself, but haven't encountered having to use it yet), doesn't mean it's a gimmick. I can't wait to see the haptic features on FW, Sony will be pushing it and for me, it's exciting. For others, they will judge it based on their own personal preferences, and some will word it in such a way that if you were to dare disagree then there's something wrong with you.
At the end of the day, vote with your wallets. Don't like it, don't buy it, and that's the only way they'll learn. Surprisingly, I haven't seen this happen yet. It's as if not everyone thinks the same. I'll stand by my support insofar as I think Sony are still making games for the players, rather than the stockholders. Gamepass is great, no doubt, but I can't see it being sustainable at the current price. I feel like they're throwing money at the industry hoping that it will eventually make them kings of the market.
Anyway, this is bringing it way off topic, so I'll leave it there and I look forward to more spoiler free HFW info.
Horizon was the first traditional open-world game I played after Breath of the Wild, and it quickly showed how BotW had quite ruined the Ubisoft-model of open-world games (map with lots of icons and checklists to complete) for me.
A bit of distance from BotW does show Horizon has an unusually strong combat system. And the tech is obviously great. But there's a lot of very mediocre open-world busywork in the way. Hopefully the sequel streamlines it all or has some new ideas. It unquestionably looks great already, but there's only so far gorgeous HDR underwater coral effects get ya :)
It's the Megadrive Aladdin of the PS4 generation. Wows with graphics but it's kind of ordinary.
Really wish Sony would move away from their unimaginative reskinning of old assassin's creed games. I mean even Ubisoft has moved away from old style assassin's creed.
This is exactly how I feel, when you actually look at the list of Sony Exclusives most are very good but thats about it, zero dawn was fine this I am sure will be fine, but in direct response to how the series X doesnt feel next gen compared to the PS5 I think this is quite hyperbolic , yes astrobot was fun and the controller felt different.
Months down the line I cant care less if I pick up the Xbox or PS controller, its the games and system I want to play and I always find myself leaning more towards xbox, more choice, more customer friendly practices ( heck they have given me near 90 quid in vouchers alone just for playing this year) and when I look at the future there is really only God of war as a sony exclusive that to me is a must play , Horizon will be played but unsure as of when
Personally I always felt that Horizon Zero Dawn was pretty but dull. It didn't help that it released in the same week as Breath of the Wild.
I dont know why Sony First Party games are held up to such a high regard ? The majority of the games they make are no different from Ubisoft made games just with a heavier focus on Cinematic Storytelling . And even if their games are the Citizen Kane of videogames still does not justify bad business practices.
Those who are labelling people as entitled also makes no sense to me when they are paying customers .
at the end of the day there are people who cannot find a ps5 and are now forced to think will they wait till they can find a PS5 to play Horizon Forbidden West , while Sony are banking on the idea of people double dipping for the ps4 version and the ps5 versions because they are so PIG headed that they think they are the greatest Studio in the industry .
That's all well and good if are lucky enough to have a PS5 but what about all the people who are currently stuck on a PS4 because it's still so difficult to get a PS5 and likely will be until well into 2022? Sony are essentially punishing them for not being able to purchase their console! Ultimately it should be available for these people to play on their PS4 and then on PS5 when they get one without having to go and buy the damn thing again.
There’s no comparison to N64 and SNES, frankly - there were actual physical constraints then. These days, cross-platform is as simple as having two downloads for someone to choose between (or automated if you’re on some platforms).
I have a PS5 and like many PS exclusives, but I cannot for a second get behind the idea Sony first party games are some sort of magically immersive premium product uniquely worth an extra ten quid. Personally, I’m much more excited about Forza Horizon 5 than Horizon Forbidden West, if we’re talking ‘big first party open world releases called Horizon’. If anything, Sony’s once rightly proud history of first party greats has dimmed as they’ve doubled down on their now familiar ‘house style’. I think Microsoft has had a problem with their own first party releases for quite some time, mind, but they’re gradually catching up with a more diverse range of games than Sony has.
Horizon is coming out at a time when PS5s are still likely to be hard to come by. Many other people won’t be able to afford to upgrade just yet. The easiest thing in the world for Sony to do would be to say ‘you buy the game, you can play it on either platform’. They’ll still get their 70 quid from the customer. They’ve gone for convoluted bullshit instead, and it’s a **** business practice in an era when their immediate competitor is making things easier and easier. Not to mention the fact that this game needs to run on PS4 anyway means its next-gen bonafides are likely limited anyway.
If you have a PS5, buy the PS5 version. It's not that complicated. This is the way console games have worked since the dawn of time. You couldn't jam a SNES cartridge into an N64 and and expect to play it at higher resolution with new features. Instead you'd have to buy an N64 game which cost a lot more.
MS are doing some nice novel things with backwards compatibility and with gamepass, sure, and Sony could do more to compete with that, but honestly a consequence of it is that it was barely noticeable when I updated from a One X to a Series X as all you get is the exact same games with minor perf improvements. With my PS5, playing everything from Astrobot to R&C, it feels like you get genuine next gen experiences, which is what I expect from Horizon too.
If you want next gen quality for last gen prices, you're going to end up with MTX riddled shovelware as that's the only way developers will be able to cover their costs. I've got gamepass, I enjoy playing the older games and indie games on it that were cheap enough to develop to be on there.
But I also enjoy scratching a different itch by playing Sony's first party games with stunning production values that are far beyond anything that you can find on any other platform, and I realise that you pay a premium for that. Someone summed it up before that it's like comparing Netflix to going to the Cinema, one gives great value and lots of choices, but the other gives you that premium experience that's worth paying for.
I do think the controller adds a lot when used well. It's minor and not something I'd think should cause the game to cost more, but it can definitely add to the experience. Astrobot, Returnal and Ratchet & Clank to a lesser extent all used the haptics and triggers in interesting ways, and I'd be excited for what Horizon 2 and God Of War 2 do with it.
But that and a graphics boost aren't enough to justify Sony putting a price on a PS4 to PS5 upgrade for the standard edition. I have to agree with others, they're getting cocky again. As a company they may not have the financial warchest behind them that Microsoft has, but they also don't need to be doing things like this just for the extra few bucks they might get off either the upgrade or pushing people to the deluxe editions. Not for their own first-party games which are ultimately their biggest selling point for the console as a whole.
They should be working their way towards competing with Gamepass for value, not towards competing with Ubisoft for gouging.
In the case of ghosts at least some extra work had been put in and you get an expansion.
Horizon is the same game.
Sony promised that they were going to offer a free upgrade to people who were going to buy the PS4 version of Horizon Forbidden West , and its not the first time they have lied cause the did the same thing with Spiderman Miles Morales even though they promised on their Playstation Blog all upgrades would be free . No matter what spin the company/development team pulls out of their A** the reason why they are doing this is they want the extra 20 euros from the people who were going to buy the 60 euro version of the game compared to the ps5 version that is selling for 80 euro upwards . I can never believe that Haptic feedback cost the extra 10-20 euro .
Its a very dangerous road for people to keep saying "sure I dont mind " at what point does it become enough ??
The Spin these companies pull and people blindly accept it is crazy to me
Like Sucker Punch saying the lip syncing in Ghost of tsushima could only be done on the ps5 version of the game and you needed to pay the extra money for it . :/
anything with gyro is lost on me, always has been always will be, the dual sense is nice, my nieces like it and enjoyed messing with astrobot. Thats the height of it really, I have most of the stuff it does turned down and havent really used anything in most of the games ive played on ps5. That been said I am yet to play returnal, but its soon going to become something that gets used in first party games mainly and forgotten about on most of the games.
So far this gen MS have outplayed Sony at most corners, this appears to be another hill Sony will die on and its a horrible money grab at a time where most of their consumers cant even pick up the main device they want to play the games they are releasing on.
for what its worth in relation to horizon, I am looking forward to it looks to be more of the same which is all anyone really wants from it
It's just fancy controller haptics. Other than the triggers you can get the same haptics on the Switch. It ain't worth an extra tenner and praise of anti consumer practices.
It think you'd have to have some fanboy blinkers on not to see how bullshit locking out a next gen upgrade is behind a paywall but also locking it out for people that don't buy a fancy special edition, you're essentially paying extra to have the privilege to pay Sony more money.
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