i would be happy to but don't know how to edit or delete the quote or delete the post with the quote?
Don't know if your naive or deliberately being silly. There is a history of AGS corruption. The recent Dublin gangwar led to 3- 4 corrupt AGS members being unearthed. One committed suicide in a police station before being found out.
There is police corruption in almost every country. Why do you think Drew Harris was appointed in the first place??
Even with this case from what we know we've evidence being stolen from evidence room and being used to bribe a member of the public. We've tampering with case files removal of witness reports, loss of evidence. This isn't negligent either as its selective. This is covering up.
I suspect Jim Sheridans season two will go this route and cerain members of AGS will be begging for impunity. As detective Dwyer said himself "there's no timelimit on justice".
"You saw her in Spar and she turned you on, walking up the aisle with her tight arse. You went to see what you could get and she was not interested."
When I first saw this statement I was convinced it was Bailey repeating to Fuller what the interrogating Garda said to Bailey,
and Fuller mishearing or misinterpreting him.
When you put the statement in its full context you can see why Bill Fuller considered it to be IB talking about himself. After IB said this Bill Fuller says he said 'that sounds like something you would do' and IB replied with something like 'that's how I met Jules, but she let me in'.
Bill Fuller would have no way of knowing that Sophie was hit on the back of the head as she tried to escape either, and he never previously claimed to have seen her in the Spar himself that day. In one of the statements, which JT says she did not actually say, the garda report says JT said IB had told her he had seen Sophie in Spar that weekend. Ceri Williams gave a statement that she saw Sophie coming out of Spar and IB was across the road. The gardai just joined the dots.
The High Court could subpoena any of the gardai involved, retired or not. At least two of the detectives I've seen mentioned in the proceedings were retired but still had to give evidence in the High Court. So that criticism no longer applies to the case as a whole.
you quoted the wrong person
Bailey is a "violent madman" apparently, he is so good as covering his tracks he has murdered 6 other women and left no trace. Destroyed all evidence the person existed.
Are you sure Bill wasn't the one projecting and Ian accusing him?
Or was it perhaps the simplest explanation. Two people after a night in the pub, a few more drinks at a house party. After a night of baiting in the pub and Bill repeating rumours that were being spread in the area, Ian giving a sarcastic retort to Bill saying he (Bill) did it.
How anyone can construe it as a confession baffles me.
It seems there's only one type of projection going on - convolutedly twisting the most innocent of events in the most negative way remotely possible to fit a preconceived guilt.
After all if Ian Bailey wasn't locked up immediately there was sure to be a string of similar murders and soon there wouldn't be a woman left alive in West Cork.
If the man died in 2001 he was probably quiet old and frail just four years earlier?
Not necessarily. He could have developed a terminal illness in the course of those 4 years and died as a result but been in prime health in 1997. The whole scenario is unlikely anyway but there's no reason to suppose the (probably mythical) Guard would have been frail 4 years before his death.
Of course they found no evidence, it was destroyed!
You'd have to be particular bad at covering your tracks to be caught out by GSOC, who cannot question retired Gardai.
35 pages were removed from the evidence book, if this is typical in straightforward cases, why would GSOC have considered referring it to DPP?
In its report, GSOC says it is most concerned with pages that went missing from the original garda ‘jobs book’ while in the custody of gardaí.
The commission said it had considered whether the interference with the Jobs Book warranted sending a file to the DPP, but they had chosen not to on the basis that one of the main gardaí who had responsibility for the documents had since died.
There was no explanation offered by gardaí for the missing pages. GSOC concluded that there was “a lack of administration and management of the incident room” during the murder investigation, but found no evidence of malpractice or corruption.
In the report, GSOC says its deliberations had been hampered by the refusal of a number of garda detectives involved in the case to co-operate with them and the fact that some of the gardaí who investigated the murder have since retired or died... It is interesting to note that a number of members of the guards were able to shield behind their retirement as a way of refusing to co-operate.”
Also speaking to this paper, Mr Bailey’s solicitor, Frank Buttimer, said: “The reality of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission as an organisation is that it is powerless, in any meaningful way, to carry out any form of proper investigation into garda corruption."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30859712.html
How do you know, if you are working on a sample of one case? How do you know the same issues don't show up in other straightforward cases? This case was unusual in the depth to which it was scrutinised in public, due to the various disclosure orders. Unless you can show this was particular to this case then the assumption of 'covering for their own' doesn't stand up. I hate to have to bring it up again but these claims of a supposed 'cover up' or 'corruption' were examined in detail by GSOC and during the High Court action and were rejected.
Bill fuller's statement and testimony in court was that he believed IB was describing what he did in the third person. He seems to be known for this, they mention in the West Cork podcast that he gave them tapes of audio diaries and a recording made with Martin Graham in which he talks about himself in the third person.
I have to say that I find the idea that there is an all encompassing Garda coverup here, protecting "one of their own", to be preposterous.
Unfortunately it's completely useless, both parties in the alleged conversation are now apparently dead. If the man died in 2001 he was probably quiet old and frail just four years earlier? If he died while still in the force there would surely be some mention of it, even in the local press. But there's no results for such a person that I can find.
OK.
The Garda incompetence and corruption throughout the investigation was obvious from the get go and became more and more obvious over time. Ie. The reams of missing evidence job books etc.
It was always going to be littered with AGS involvement. Good people don't cover up murder unless they are covering their own. I.e. under direct instruction.
Drew Harris is probably the ideal AGS commissioner to sanction a proper and final investigation. I'd suggest he draws up terms of impunity for any AGS member involved provided full disclosure if all is forcoming, ening this farce once and for all.
The motive in this case is straightforward. The killer was a violent madman, with grandiose notions of himself, who didn`t take rejection well. As it happens, there was a violent madman living up the road, who wasn`t in his bed all night, wasn`t even in the house, and who had a mysterious scratch on his head at 9AM that wasn`t there the night before. What are the odds?
Sorry. It's not worth wasting anymore time trying to explain. Maybe the lightbulb will go on for you at some point.
No, I've had a think about and and I wouldn't change the word. I do believe that you are aware of the limitations of this line of logic.
If I'm missing the point, please clarify or expand and I will be happy to reconsider.
Smh. Improper use of the word "disingenuous". You are missing the point. Your "objective" analysis is entertaining though.
No. IB was projecting himself.
Are you saying Ian Bailey accused Bill Fuller of the murder in his statement?
Yeah but he's convinced it's IB. the problem is when a journo gets that in his head there's no going back
Senan Moloney, Irish Independent has been working this case donkey's years.
No, Cowgirlsboots,
That's disingenuous.
He also said "I did it to further my career" It was just another example of his rather pathetic and ill judged attempts at sarcasm. And he has explained it as such. it fits into the same pattern as the rest of his "admissions".
In the case you quoted the unfortunate victim was found naked, except for a sports bra. Also, it states that her legs were spread. That is clear evidence of a sexual motive for the crime.
There was no evidence of any actual or attempted sexual activity in Sophie's case. You cannot reasonably draw a parallel between the two.
In fairness I think most people have heard this before ( re the death bed confession ). It is the first time though I have seen the name of the alleged Garda. I would hope the family do get the courage to approach the authorites with this and that they are taken seriously. This probably needs to be reported higher up the chain of command of the Gardai Siochana and political ladder rather than the local Garda Station. Its a real tough one for the family to decide who to go to with this info as there is a section of the Gardai who may want this buried and forgot about.
I am being honest, it's sensitive because the people with the information haven't gone to the authorities... Yet. If its all over social media they are less likely to. Its not me that is able to go to the Gards with 3rd hand information
Yes, there is. It's right there in Bailey's statement.
Yes, but there is clear evidence of a motive in the article you quote. Sex.
There is no evidence of a sexual motive in the SDP murder?
I am making a comparison between this statement made by Bailey to Bill Fuller:
and the same type of targeting by the man in the news article.
i.e.; Man sees woman, man wants woman, man tries to engage with woman, woman rejects man, man flips out and murders woman. That's it. End of comparison.
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