But other restrictions haven't ended, and there's no guarantee they will end in October. In Hungary restrictions ended once a certain percentage of the population had been vaccinated. In Ireland there's no guarantee, even with almost the entire adult population vaccinated, that restrictions will end. It's full of caveats. Case numbers, no new variants, the situation of the healthcare system as a whole etc. So it could very well happen that restrictions won't be lifted if the criteria I listed in my previous post aren't met.
I could see masks being mandatory next summer, yes. NPHET were careful to say until 'at least' next Spring. Clearly NPHET and the government see masks as different because it's the one restriction that will persist.
I agree with you that it's hospitalisations and deaths that matter, but one of the criterion that has to be met in Ireland in order for restrictions to be eased is about case numbers.
Is post-Covid post-vaccination? I don't know why they're going to continue to be mandatory post-vaccination, but they are in Ireland.
But again, you keep dodging the question that disproves your claim.
WHY DO THEY WANT MASKS TO BE PERMANENT?
By dodging this question repeatedly, you show not only that your conspiracy theory is bunk, but that you know it's bunk and you're being dishonest.
OK... But why?
Why would masks be permanent forever.
This thread title was EVERY MEASURE WILL BE PERMANENT. That is clearly totally wrong. So you have moved the goal posts to just masks with be permanent forever.
Why?... How does that benefit the Irish government only?
Cause other countries they are not permanently needed.
So why only in Ireland would masks be permanent?
But earlier restrictions have lifted, there is no pattern to suggest that future restrictions won't lift as well, either they are already lifted in other countries, or there is a plan now in place to lift them in Ireland (and a week ago no plan existed).
I would point out that this is becoming an issue that is personal to you and most others are ambivalent about it, but there is absolutely no conspiracy at all.
That rule only counts against things that disprove the conspiracy theory.
If he things it can help his claims, then it's fine to talk about other countries.
It's just another example of how completely hypocritical and dishonest conspiracy theorists have to be to hold onto their fantasies.
But we don't know whether it was wrong or not because it's not definite that they will go in October. Look at the criteria that NPHET have set. They will be extremely difficult to meet. It will require the government to go against NPHET, but that hasn't happened that often since March 2020.
Ireland appears to be different. Other countries dropped them everywhere (apart from healthcare settings and on aeroplanes). Whereas Ireland is going to continue to require them by law in shops, on public transport and in healthcare settings. Is it out of caution? If so, when does that caution end if vaccination of almost the entire population isn't enough for it to end?
You dodged the question he asked.
Answer it now please.
Yes, but no plan to scrap masks in shops, on public transport and in healthcare settings.
Best thing to do is to see what happens in October. All I hope for is that masks go in shops and on public transport. If that happens then great.
Why would they continue past October? Why would they be permanent?
Why do you keep ignoring this question?
Thanks for your reply.
Could you address the question I asked you though?
Why?... And why only Ireland?
I love a good conspiracy theory but, making masks mandatory forever makes zero sense anywhere. Especially in a world where governments are increasingly interested in implementing facial recognition technology and tracking citizens movements. I'm surprised China even allows them.
I don't think our government have anything to gain or lose either way on the mask issue.
You keep mentioning NEPHET, You do realise they are going to be disbanded soon right?
"As the remaining pandemic restrictions are set to be lifted, Nphet will be disbanded from the middle of October. The experts will still be on hand to advise the Government, just not in the current form."
That's just what they want you to think, they are slinking off into the shadows and running things from their volcano base and will continue with their plan of domination of Dublin Bus users and forcing them to wear masks for eternity all so that...erm...something something...Hey look over there...someone is using contactless payment for a bottle of water whilst they have a fiver in their pocket...don't you see how they are controlling us with their evil plans?
No end date given.
That is, like, SO MEAN. We all know that the global pandemic will be over exactly on November 18, 2021. And THE GOVERNMENT not only withholds that information. The stupid main stream media also refuse to report that this will also be the day that Donald Trump is re-instated. Not only as president of the United States, but as president of the world. Permanently. No end date given.
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral
superiority in their ignorance.
THOMAS SOWELL
Economist, Social Theorist
What's permanent and why?
How many times do i have to say the tyranny will be permanent because we are controlled by psychopathic megalomaniacs.
What tyranny?
Do you mean being asked to wear a mask whilst on a bus? Is that what's bugging you so much?
The tyranny of duping millions of sheeple into injecting their children with a dangerous and unnecessary concoction.
JCVI member Professor Adam Finn said that the latest data from paediatric cardiologists in the US shows that there are concerns about the long- term side effects of COVID-19 vaccine for children.
Vaccines are not mandatory, what tyranny?
Thousands of children are hospitalized and in ICU's due to Covid, which we are still learning and discovering can have nasty long-term effects, why are you promoting hysteria for a prevention method that is much safer?
Why are you a conspiracy sheeple that regurgitates this stuff without question?
you've just won covidiot bingo
Congrats!!!
But the vaccines are not dangerous and they are nessesary.
You are lying.
Why are you lying?
Are you now going to run away and hide again for a few weeks before coming back with another sound bite accusing us of being stupid for not being convinced by your previous lies, empty soundbites and insults?
It's a bit sad that this is the best tactic you guys have at this stage.
Notice how when pressed, conspiracy theorists have to retreat to the rather pathetic claim that only masks are going to be permanent. (For no rational or discernible reason.)
But now that even this notion is becoming very obviously silly and false, and more than a bit embarassing, we get the flyby claim that "vaccines are bad!" to distract.
Around we go again.
All measures are going to be permanent.
Not all measures are going to be permanent, we never said that.
Some unamed measures are going to be permanent.
We never said anything is going to be permanent.
Masks are going to be permanent.
Vaccines are bad.
All measures are going to be permanent to make people take the vaccine.
We never said the vaccines are bad!
sure.
Simply put he can’t answer because he is full of ****, and it’s the only straw straw he can grasp. He knows it’s a paper straw that is soaking away and will soon be unusable.
Yup. Conspiracy theorists have shown in this thread how abjectly dishonest they have to be to defend their beliefs. They've done nothing but lie, dodge and run away for the las 212 pages.
They know they're doing it and why they're doing it too.
It's beyond clear that there's no conspiracy here. It's just obvious bullshit spread by grifters and their marks.
The only thing of interest is why conspiracy theorists here are doing it. They don't profit like the grifters. And their constant conscious dishonesty shows they know it's bullshit, so they aren't just rubes.
I doubt we'll get an answer though as that would require conspiracy theorists being direct and honest about something they believe.
Some of you think you're listening to "science," when you're actually listening to paid promotional ads by
trillion dollar industries that make up their own science... and the majority of that science benefits them, not you.
Right back at ye.
So when independent scientists who are not funded by those big companies agree with them, what does that mean?
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