Ouch!!
One policy for SF NI
Another policy for SF ROI
You don't want to deal with the content either. That's fine, I understand.
why do you think that posters are required to comment on what ever you post ?
my pointing out some thing you though no one would notice ie the use of a sf party member and professional propagandist as a source has caught you out and now your crying foul where there is none
Mum of murdered IRA victim Paul Quinn hopeful of justice after intervention of Garda Commissioner Drew Harris - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
must be some nervous heads in sf , i wonder what will be uncovered here , and its great to see this murder investigation is still ongoing
What is the 'caught out' nonsense about?
Has somebody re-introduced SF censorship.
SO WHAT mike?
You were afraid to deal with the content and hid behind some spurious notion that because he is a Shinner everything he writes is propaganda despite you not being able to point out what was propaganda in the piece.
There are plenty of ripostes to O'Toole's partitionist imbued piece out there noe...I even posted another one. You dont want to engage...I get it.
the caught out refers to you posting a letter and claiming a number of times that you had no idea who authored it . in reality it was a well established sf party member whos career as a propagandist for sf would be very well known to you giving your in dept knowledge of the "party"
that was dishonest francie and you were caught out very clearly and very easily
your insistence that we discuss te content of a sf party propaganda piece will not be acceded to obviously.
sf opposition to yer man o toole stems from his criticism of mlm so i suspect you see him as a enemy and we all know how sf treat their enemy dont we ?
You have tried and convicted me I see.
I didn't have a clue who he was. And it doesn't matter anyhow unless there has been an arrogant re-imposition of censorship.
Believe what you want it doesnt obscure the fact that you are using it to hide and deflect.
I never insisted on anything and I am free, like you, to assume what I want.
Final warning. Any more posts attacking the poster or their posting "style" will get sanctioned, including threadbans
Fintan not prepared to engage in discussion of the opinion piece he was happy to tweet a link to. Writing ivory tower opinion, with no right of reply is what a lot of these guys want to be doing - the old days before the social media they hate, but need, to survive.
Fintan O'Toole on Twitter: "Fintan O’Toole: Sinn Féin must acknowledge the disaster it helped inflict on the Irish people https://t.co/earxuvKTfW via @IrishTimes" / Twitter
While I don't support violence, Fintan would need to understand getting rounded up, having a broom handle shoved up your backside and cigarettes put out on your eyelids, with no charges or reason, by the supposed law of the land, might give you a different outlook.
Fintan doesn't seem to 'understand' the conflict. 😁
or indeed blowing up kids going shopping in town or abducting and executing innocent housewives.......
Most people know it was a multi player conflict, and a conflict that included a sovereign government as a primary and hugely influential player in the violent acts committed.
Why is the 'paper of record' in this country promoting a view/agenda that only one of those players is to be held to account?
How can the conflict be discussed without reference to all that happened and like any conflict ever seen, violent act fed off act of violence?
and now one of the protagonists who committed horrific crimes with no mandate are trying to take power . no parallels there ......
i dont write for the paper of record and most people dont pay as much attention to papers of records as you think you are just focusing on a particular writer who has had a preexisting conflict with sf in the past ? true or false ?
'Trying to take power'?
This is more of the sensationalism O'Toole is prone to.
If they receive a mandate they will be entitled to govern like any other party.
so you agree they had no mandate when they were murdering people ?
Name a single revolutionary/subversive group that did have a mandate.
Ah yeh...silly me, remember that referendum Pearse and Connolly won.
Such red herring rubbish.
dont remember the protests ? why would they need all that intimidation and violence against their own francie ? all that fear and terror when they had support ?
They successfully fought against an oppressive gang of murderers masquerading as a democratic body. The BA and unionists created the IRA in NI. We would need have lived through it to judge. All very well to hold people who believed they were fighting for equality and human rights to, say the Blueshirts, a group just looking to impose their will. Collins and Connolly didn't have a mandate. Neither did the French resistance, who often killed their own. You need to take context into account to be taken as credible.
Yeh, I remember reading about the protests, some people spat at Padraig Pearse and Connolly.
Did you find a group that sought a mandate ever?
successfully ? really ? so theres a United Ireland then ? thought i would i have noticed that
So if the brits created sf ira then why are you still trying to link mary lou and gerry (not in the ira ) adams with 1916 ? repeating a lie does not make it true
again your trying to link your sf ira group with historical group where there is no actual link , its a recent party policy to try to distance them from the crimes of the 70s 80s and 90 and ongoing but we all know that .
why not talk about the sf for the thread not trying so hard to distort history
They helped bring democracy to N.I. and a somewhat fair and equal justice. That's being successful. Something the south had little interest in and the British/Unionists had none. They thankfully signed up to peace. The Brits created a need for the IRA up north. Are you naive enough to think such organisations have a pledge hall and keep membership books for public view at city hall? This is a question, please don't take unrealistic personal offence.
While a lot remains to be done regarding reconciliation and ownership, (great to see an all island political move to call out the proposed amnesty by wesminister) you should wake up to the fact, rightly or wrongly, a growing number of the electorate have little interest in the conflict/troubles as it pertains to the housing, health crises and crony lying behaviour of the government today.
I'd have said how they went about achieving their aims was the link.
But apparently 'dying' by gunshot or bomb was different 100 years ago. And victims families didn't grieve because it was all in the glorious, morally superior quest for partial Irish freedom.
I can see why you want to separate them alright. Sure, go on ahead, who cares and what difference it makes, who knows.
I am still waiting for a link to this 'recent campaign' of SF's, I guess I'll be waiting a while longer. Maybe they are too busy celebrating those who died in the conflict/war that apparently they are trying to distance themselves from.
The twisting and pivoting here, sure is entertaining.
Sinn Féin's deluded 1916 narrative now cited by dissidents to justify murders - Independent.ie
here you go ,only one of us ever seems to provide a link though , strange thats allowed isnt it .
in fact this paragraph mirrors almost exactly you point of view ........ almost like how did you put it the other day ? " directing your thoughts "
Sinn Féin-IRA's use of the lack of mandate for the leaders of 1916 to explain away the Provos activities from the 1970s to the 1990s is a simplistic interpretation of the Rising. It ignores the context of the times and the complexities of a country striving to gain its sovereignty. The 'minority within a minority' thesis about the 1916 rebels going against even the will of elements within their own organisations is indisputable, albeit open for debate.
That's a journalist's opinion. Everyone including yourself has an opinion.
You were asked to link to a SF campaign and to prove it was to 'distance themselves' from the conflict/war. Best of luck with that one as I said. You can't be on outraging about them celebrating their dead and then next minute be outraging about them trying to distance themselves. Not without losing credibility.
So you won't link SF to 1916 but you'll link them to people who hate the GFA so much they are known as 'dissident'? Where you not suggesting the IRA were failures for signing up to peace? Would you consider the dissidents political stalwarts on the road to success?
People say the darnedest things.
opinions are only relevant when they suit a specific narrative , got ya 🙄🙄🙄
i ll try to only use sources your happy with ,
at least i m providing some links and sources though 😮
No you were asked to do two things. You claimed there was a 'SF campaign' and you claimed the campaign was to 'distance themselves' from the conflict war. You were asked to link to this 'campaign' and evidence that they were trying to distance themselves.
You have failed to do either and posted an opinion piece by a journalist in a legendary anti SF newspaper. Sterling work there mike.
apparently so ? bush ? really ? wtf
you asked for links, i give you links , you dont like links , dismiss links as anti sf propaganda ,
when you post the musings of a sf propagandist you cant understand why its unacceptable as a source ,
second time today 😏
