Is O'Toole an unperson now for his doubleplusungood article?
Was it not?
"An in-depth poll by Lucid Talk for the Belfast Telegraph showed 49% support for maintaining the Union, with 42% favouring a united Ireland"
Only 37% want a poll in the next five years. Looks like a united Ireland is as far away as ever.
didnt bother to red the link you know him so well eh ? i ve posted almost his whole Wikipedia page for you now
He was editor of An Phoblacht from 1990 to 1996.[2] From 1997 to 2014, he served as Parliamentary Assistant to Sinn Féin TD Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin and for much of that time was manager of the Sinn Féin Oireachtas team. He is the author of a centenary history of Sinn Féin 'A Century of Struggle' (2005).
yes propagandist is accurate true and correct
who do you think is directing my thoughts francie ?
When a referendum was called in Scotland the pro-Ind campaign was at 32% and went to almost winning it after a plan/White paper was published.
I am amazed the pro UI vote is so high given their is no plan from the Irish government.
That vote could be swung by the don't knows even ahead of a plan.
Keep handwaving it all away. It's not working.
So where is the 'propaganda' in his letter? Is there stuff written between the lines infiltrating my brain...is he that good at propaganding? 😁
* re: directing your thoughts. I just wonder why you are being coached here by Brendi not to get into actually discussing the content of the letter. Sounds like you don't want to go there.
best you read over the thread again ," propagandist " is some one who produces propaganda
strange you never heard of such a prominent party member though francie
if you have a issue with my posts report me .
I hadn't heard of him. Fascinating he played a young Marty Feldman.
Any chance you can address the purported 'propaganda' in the letter?
Won't ask again.
No issue bar your fear of doing the above.
Are you, others might say that folk are wise to your tactics when you try to drag arguments into the etymology of a single word.
There’s folk here, dude, who can see through that auld guff.
😎
Ex-Lord Mayor of Dublin, ex-editor of An Phoblacht, PA to your neighbour Ó'Caoláin for 17 years and you hadn't heard of him? Not to mention his vision of a United Ireland in which Northern Protestants playing rugby for Ireland would be forced to sing Amhran na Bhfiann, or was it that rugby would be banned as a West Brit game?
Perhaps your ignorance of him and other like minded party members helps explains your zealousness in defending every step and misstep of Sinn Fein.
Be easier all round if we could skip the whole song and dance by having folks understand the words they use, and use the words they mean rather than hiding behind indignation when called out on their incorrect usage in fairness.
Simple way to resolve the whole issue Brendi..point out the 'propaganda'.
That is all I asked and now seem to set off a concerted attack.
Or perhaps explains that I was never a member, bot or zealot?
weak deflection , his acting days are hardly relevant you pretending that you didn't know who a prominent party member and propagandist is and presenting his letter to the editor a a random member of the public, some times google isnt your friend apparently 😁
your the one screaming propaganda , what i said is that he is a propagandist .
you used to be way better at this ......
“Attack”.
So a difference of opinion is now an attack?
This is is the stuff that is ruining this thread.
you do a fair impression of a casual poster ,
usually ....
No poster with the guts of 50k could ever be remotely referred to as “casual”.
Nothing wrong with it, mind, but “casual”……..😁
You don't have to answer the question but don't exaggerate it into an accusation of racism. You gave a list of things you had trouble with, I was asking was it because they were things SF supported or had you other reasons for disliking the Irish language etc..
If you don't like SF that's one thing but even Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have people who support Irish culture and hope for a UI.
I'd call that calibre of posting an attack on me Brendi. Just saying.
Seems they are happy to pile on you Francie rather than discuss SF.
i see you've taken down the offending post , either leave it up unchanged and defend it or dont , anything else is just dishonest ,
disemboweling a police force is only good for criminals , and thier political friends
id suggest that my points are infact pro irish if anything, that obviously isnt the same as pro sf , thank god 😁
I said at the start i didn't care who he was it was a fair response to O'Toole's jaundiced view.
You STILL haven't pointed out what is propaganda.
You are attacking the writer not the letter.
Predictable.
users cannot take down posts on this new site , mike , try deleting your own if you dont believe me , if it was taken down , it must have been done so by an admin or moderator , and if that was the case its because someone " flagged " it . thing is i read that post earlier and the " racist accusation " was pushing the boat out , to be kind .
the flip side is that francie brady has been slowly picked at over sevral pages and no intervention at all !!!!
I didn't delete it. You'll find your non-answer post is gone too.
I asked a question and you dodged it. Fine by me.
You mentioned 'imposing a language', is that how you see Irish in the south or is it just because it's SF up north looking for it, democratically?
The British were forced into bringing democracy to the north.
your still not reading the posts that your so outrages by 😆
why you posted what you did is still a bit of a mystery anyway apart from deflecting the thread onto a poor sf being attacked slant .
the frankly laughable assertion that you didn't know who wrote the letter holds no water either 🙄🙄 the mans full time job for many years was as a propagandist for a political party with whom you have a strong and very clear link , it was a attempt at slight of hand that blew up in your face (pun intended)
getting caught out and being called on it is an attack ? some people would just realize it and move on instead of trying to brazen their way along regardless.
but i guess that is modern politics 🤷 or at least some party's idea of politics
Caught out on what?
Posting propaganda seems to be his crime?
Ok..tell me what was propaganda?
Another riposte to O'Toole from a slightly different angle.
Sir,
Fintan O’Toole’s column on the unacknowledged ‘disaster’ Sinn Fein supposedly imposed on the Irish people is based on a twin conceit. The first is that those younger than him know nothing about and are uninterested in the 1968 – 97 northern conflict. The second is that older folk like him, who lived through it, have the memory he promotes. The conflict in the North is the subject of innumerable books, articles and commentary, by historians, political scientists, journalists, politicians, other interested observers and participants. Many are appreciably younger than Fintan O’Toole. On that basis, an interest in recent Irish history is safe in their hands. I get the impression that for O’Toole the real problem is that many have the ‘wrong’ interest.
O’Toole asserts, surprisingly, that those the IRA buried in undisclosed places during the recent ‘Troubles’ are not much subject to investigation or commentary. In fact the effort to recover remains is assisted by a statutory body that seeks assistance from those involved in the burials. Its activities have been widely reported and commented upon, as have the circumstances under which the victims were killed. The 16 or so who vanished over 30 years of conflict have received far more publicity than 89 people who disappeared over two years, who O’Toole ignores. It is estimated that the ‘good old’ IRA buried that many secretly between 1920-21 (106 in total, from 1920-23).
In a strained analogy, O’Toole compares what he sees as lack of publicity on the post 1968 conflict with lots on 800 babies buried by Bon Secours nuns in Tuam from the 1920s to the 1960s. Again, the IRA campaign and Sinn Fein were subject to persistent quite negative establishment-media commentary, for about fifty years. The Tuam discovery was made in 2014. That is why that story is fresh in people’s minds. No navel gazing in contemplation of the vagaries of memory by introspective readers is required.
History, like politics is on contested terrain, as Diarmaid Ferriter points out in his article on Fine Gael narratives on the Treaty (August 27th) and on its political legacy for Fianna Fail politicians (August 28th). Let the contest take place and stop bemoaning whether one thing or another is not sufficiently addressed (particularly as Fintan O’Toole may return to the subject any time he so chooses).
Yours sincerely
Tom Cooper
P.S. I have no idea who Tom Cooper is either.
Or maybe posters don't want to be dragged into a never-ending, tit for tat battle with some posters Francie. People have lives outside of boards.ie and this thread is not a courtroom and you are not a self-appointed judge on these matters.
So, 5 options really...
As to the last point, many of these topics have been debated endlessly for years on this platform. Terms are 'dancing on a pinhead' and 'rabbit hole' is very apt when it comes to any discussion on SF and the PIRA as there is always those who opt a 'Do as I say, not as I do' when it comes to their beloved SF/PIRA.
It's classic really.
Faux outrage 90% of the time, Faux ignorance 10% of the time, when it's convenient that is.
Anyone who is in the know about all things SF knows who Mícheál Mac Donncha is.
