Mad stuff, dafuq is the world coming to?
If someone has a discussion where they need to resort to implying other people are talking sh!t then it says more about them the person being accused.
It's boards.ie, it's all anecdotal or opinion lol
I went out my way to get to know a lot of trans people, maybe some others should do the same instead of reading the daily mail.
Incidentally, you don't me. You don't know my reasons for exploring this topic. Could be personal, could be family, could be friends with children, could be other reasons I'd rather not go into on a place like boards.ie, so I'd thank you to keep the petty comments out of it tbh (although, again, it's always interesting to learn how other people's minds work!)
I think my answer is a little deeper than 'I don't know'. I said I believe it's a spectrum, that could even change over time for people. So this might even mean that there isn't a finite list of genders. As @[Deleted User] pointed out that would technically mean a lot of people are trans. Well maybe even trans/cis are labels that serve little purpose? How about that?
Regarding your pronouns (I'm not sure what your hangup is tbh) but the ones you mentioned are pretty rare. Most people I know stick to she/he. Some people prefer "they" (personally I find that a touch confusing at times because I often think of a group, but that's just the way I was taught in the 80s).
Once again tho, I really didn't read anything in the article that is somehow promoting or encouraging people to "become trans". I don't know what you've been reading to find that impression.
This seems a way of allowing more support for children who are 'trans" (in quotes because of the spectrum comment above).
All antidotal of course .......
As I said earlier people would start saying I know this many trans people and someone else will say I know this many ...... Spin ,rinse and repeat ...
And no experience of 3 year + old children it's quite obvious
A lot of trans people I know will be able to talk about feelings around gender from an early age. I think it's common for children to know and I just don't buy into this being some mysterious group of TRAs forcing an agenda onto schools to trans up the kids.
You may recall, I entered a similar thread here about a year ago and had a lot of questions. I've done a lot if reading and speaking to people since.
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So the answer to answer my question is, you don't know.
Now I'm assuming at either end of your "gender spectrum" there is male and female? Everything else is in between?
And three and four year olds do use pronouns, ones they are taught. He is for a boy, she is for a girl. They don't use zir/see unless instructed to.
Wow. Dead naming? How incredibly insensitive
Another thing you have in common with our dear departed friend EskimoHunt. He also was a gay man who continuously said he did not identify as LGBT.
For two entirely different people you have identical opinions and backstory.
3/4 year olds do not use pronouns???
LOL
Sorry, your post didn't show up until I refreshed after I'd posted my own. I'll cut it back from here on.
Except, we've long had such language in schools. The presence of the Trans debate touches everyone, and I can't imagine any teacher not being aware of the possibility that a person might feel that way. It's not as if this hasn't been shot down, with a no-speech ban placed in secondary or third level schools. It's been in secondary schools in the UK and the US for close to a decade now...
However, I'm very skeptical of this manifesting in children aged 5 years old, considering what gender represents. I suspect this is adult considerations being projected on to children. The thing is... considering the posters who have sought to defend this proposal, where are the statistics being presented to show the need for it? Where are all these children who do need this special attention?
More likely this is the extension of the same debate about boys playing with tanks, and girls playing with dolls... and the desire by those involved to remain relevant.. and the trans issue continues to be big news for some.
No, sorry... I've agreed with many of your posts so far but that's not what Transgender is about. Being Trans is about being different from what someone was originally. Oh, sure, apparently the original choice was made for them, or assigned to them, but they all started with one gender and desired to change to another different one, or none at all.
We are all masculine and feminine in our traits and behaviors, but that doesn't mean that we are all male and female.
Being either male or female carries a history of experience, learning, and adaptation within that persons environment, but also the experience of the body we have. The sexual organs that we live with throughout our lives. And while it is possible to change your body, and sexual organs (to a degree), the same can't be said for the previous years of experience as a given gender, and the lack of genuine firsthand knowledge of what it's like to be another gender. I've cross-dressed. I've had sex with men, women, and people who had physically transitioned, both partially and fully. But I don't know what it's like to be a girl or a woman. I'll never have to deal with pms, or a host of other biological experiences that females do, and that need to adjust my life accordingly. Nor will I know what it's like to be an target for sexual/physical attraction the way women do, because it's a very different experience for a man vs a woman, due to the society that has developed over time. Just as the vast majority of women will never understand the nuance of masculine culture throughout school, and into our adulthood, with the often direct physical communication, but also the ways we learn to manage that communication.
A woman could spend all her life surrounded by men, adopt their behaviors and mannerisms. Even understand their way of living, and the application of logic the same as the men, but she would still be a woman, driven by biological imperatives, and her mind/thought process would be different, due to her own unique experiences.. through the lens of being a woman... Her feelings and emotions would be different from men, due to the differences in testosterone and all manner of other physical considerations, not least by being a different body type and typically, less physically dense as men. It all matters because it shapes how we perceive and interact with the world. Regardless of what we want...
The point is that we are not all transgender. I've never wanted to be a woman. Regardless of being sexually attracted to men (and women), I've never wanted to be a woman. Nor behave as one. Or think as one. It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. My emotional ability is not tied to my gender. I can be patient, sympathetic, empathize, whatever... and have solid emotional intelligence, because as with most things, the idea that women have some greater capacity is a stereotype that's convenient for people to continue.. but it's not specific to a particular gender...
Masculine and feminine are simply aspects (adjectives) of behavior and thought... but they're not genders in themselves. That's why we use the terms male and female. Man and woman. Girl and boy. This trans debate is messing up language too much.
I know.. just in general we get a lot of brand new posters on these threads but I guess this isn't the place for me to raise this point.
Apologies.
Mod - we are getting quite far off the topic of the Scottish proposals and the thread is becoming a free for all on trans rights and that is not it's purpose. The quoted post above is a suitable example.
Given that there have been mod notes already on this thread I'll say this one last time, stick to the topic of the thread
I've only ever had one username on boards. Does that help to validate my posts?
Well considering the child in question was entirely fabricated for the purposes of illustration, I'm sure no one would mind the term "trans kid".
But yes, you do have a point, which is exactly why it's important to have a language around this and the ability to discuss such matters, which is why the awareness in schools is even more important.
Also, if people could call our their previous usernames it would help a lot to remember who I've had the same discussions with over and over.
I don't think it's a problem at all?
You seem to think there is a fallacy there, now that is embarrassing Indeed.
The problem with that spectrum argument is that no one person occupies a position of 100% masculinity or 100% femininity, therefore we are all transgender to some degree.
It's an obvious fallacious argument. Actually, it's embarrassing.
I agree, some people definitely don't.
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I'm glad the world is changing ☺️
I kept it binary to try and keep it simple so that you could focus on the question posed. Thank you for answering, it really is useful to try and understand people.
Trans people exist. It's basic biology. It's simply not true to say otherwise. Your system has been in place for a long time. It hasn't had much success.
How many genders? I suspect you are aware that there is varying opinions on this and the science hasn't reached a strong consensus as yet. The mental model that works for me is that gender is on a spectrum. And similar to sexuality, It's rate that someone is 100pc at the extreme end of such a spectrum for their entire life (although, many people do a reasonable job of pretending they are!)
I'm sickened by it.
In the UK, Stonewall, a hitherto respected organization that defended the rights of gay people, now refer to homosexuality as "same-gender attracted".
This is why I don't identify as a member of the LGBT community anymore. This is sexual-gender extremism; a religion of identity.
The idea that the movement stops at this phase is for the birds, it really is.
The funny/interesting thing is how often this is used an excuse though. It's not as if we didn't hear the exact same thing when the Trans debate first started in the US, and we were all looking at Americans as being completely nutty to tolerate this nonsense, and we even thought that common sense would prevent it becoming established in Europe except for an extreme minority. Now, it's here and not just here but encouraged to expand in scope... even to the point of people defending the application of the theory on to children. To young children ffs.
Anyone who favours the Scottish proposal going to declare how many genders there are?
"Nobody has said that a child who wishes to use different pronouns is certain to be trans and must continue using the pronouns for all time"
3/4 year olds do not use pronouns or speak about using pronouns ,
You would have to live on another planet and in a different dimension to believe that .....
Seriously some people have no concept of young children or what they actually think on a daily basis .
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Ditto, it is actively damaging to the "traditional" gay community.
Just like you cannot have transwomen occupying the spaces of the Olympic women's division, you cannot have transmen occupying spaces that "traditional" gay men otherwise occupied.
It's harming the LGBT community (of which I am a member) and this move to extend the ideology to 4-year olds, is the start of it.
Once this "harmless" step is accepted, it'll move onto the next phase - and the next, and the next after that.
Again you're ignoring the actual Scottish proposals and talking about stuff you've made up.
Nobody has said that a child who wishes to use different pronouns is certain to be trans and must continue using the pronouns for all time.
Letting the children grow up and decide for themselves is exactly what this guidance allows. It just doesn't try and distress them in the meantime.
It wasn't I who selected 14 people who came out as non-binary that are all homosexual bar one.
As for having opinions about things that don't affect me in the slightest, I want 'gay pride' back, I want Mr Gay UK to be a gay cis male, and I don't want the gay demographic to be associated with transgender controversies, because it affects my demographic NEGATIVELY, especially in counties where homosexuality isn't even accepted yet like those of eastern Europe.
What are you on about? This is not about 4 year olds deciding the certitude of whether they are trans or not
The fact that topics like this are even debated and defended let alone implemented shows how much of a stranglehold the inmates have over the asylum. It's cloud cuckoo land stuff. Toddlers should be taught not to eat crayons and how to use the toilet instead of having their minds poisoned by a twisted far left agenda.
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