I would imagine there will be a lot of moving jobs in the next 6 months. Companies which don't allow WFH will of course find it much more difficult to recruit staff (possibly having to implement it at some point later).
On the other hand, I think it is a bit unfair to expect the government to mandate WFH. The flexibility it allows primarily benefits the employee I would say. There may be some benefits to the state like fewer cars on the road, but it is still not a reason for the government to strong arm companies into allowing WFH. Some areas can work very well remotely, but not all.
Fully agree re. the Greens - they really are utterly useless. They should be leading the charge to promote remote work - Eamon Ryan said a return to offices "has to happen" - why?
Vested interests.
We have housing crisis in most parts of the country, not just Dublin. Permanent reallocation of bedroom space to home-office space is a stupid idea at the moment.
We're having a climate crisis too. I dunno, that seems more important than your dislike of working in the kitchen.
Perhaps not in your mind though...
We had more or less the same, but as its a big company, managers at a local level can decide how it plays out. They do want to have everyone back some of the time, and right now we only have 100 or so back over two offices but I'd said very few of the 100 or so that are back are in 100% of the time. I'm only going in two days.
Wait and see how it goes. Start out with two days and go from there
I don't think a few workers working in the office or from home will make much difference to the climate change issue. The flexibility WFH offers is really just a benefit to the employee.
For you perhaps, not for the vast majority of my colleagues or any of the people I know working in an office based environment. It's been fantastic, far better than working from the office and if we had to choose one over the other, wfh without question. Some would like the occasional day in the office, 2 max. Productivity with us has not been impacted negatively whatsoever.
In the context of covid, it was initially (and incorrectly) believed to be a significant form of transmission, it isn't whatsoever. In general washing your hands is good practice due to all sorts of bacteria that you pick up, but it's absolutely irrelevant in terms of the actual risk factors for catching/spreading covid/
So all of those cars off the road in the morning and evening won't make a difference?
I dunno, I thought it would.
I just did a quick run around the block on Google and every source I see (HSE, CDC, etc) suggest that washing hands is still important, even though airborne is still the biggest risk.
Recall, you said "isn't whatsoever".
I'll trust the CDC's view over yours, thanks.
It really does bug me when companies try to generalize that everyone's WFH experience is the same. They seem to think that we are all hunched over squinting at a 13" laptop screen on the corner of a Kitchen table, with 3 kids running riot, dog barking and dodgy internet connections
Maybe different for you, but I'd say 90% of my colleagues have one or more of those factors in their WFH setup.
This is how I see it. If you want flexibility, go find a company that offers it. If you desire inflexibility, follow the same advice.
Everyone should end up where they want eventually.
Who in the Greens said that they are "fully supportive of a return to centralised office work and all that entails"?
I suspect a few IT workers in Ireland commuting into the office in cars will not have a noticeable effect on climate change. I think WFH is great by the way, I just think the main reason for doing is the employee's work life balance and not the climate issue.
The fact that you keep using terms like "a few" and such makes me not want to discuss this any further. Cheers.
There are 7.6 billion people in the world. So relative to that, the number is small. If we add in the number of people who use public transport in Dublin (where a lot of the suitable tech jobs are) and also all of the jobs that are not suitable for remote working, there will be a relatively small reduction of cars on the road. WFH provides a better work life balance and that is it. I find the climate change reasons for WFH very spurious. If your company came to you and said we want to change your working conditions to help fight climate change, but it will result in a deterioration in your work life balance, most people would not want to make the change.
Did not read.
Think you could do with re-reading my post again, however it isn't a driver of transmission WHATSOEVER. Can you link to a single cluster documented ANYWHERE, with touch being the driver of transmission? There were some rather flawed early studies claiming it was a driver early on (re: how long the virus could survive on a surface), but even then it was quite clear the actual driver is aerosols, the most blatant and obvious examples being the early cased on cruise ships. Washing your hands is important in general re: bacteria and for transmission of other illnesses, but no, it isn't a driver whatsoever of the spread of covid. Possible, just like being hit by lightning is possible, but according to the CDC the risk is low. Again, give us a few documented examples of clusters spreading from touch... These article neatly explains why the fixation on cleaning surfaces is a waste and the studies of fomite transmission flawed - in summary, it gives the perception of doing something to combat the virus, though not actually effective and the studies were completely flawed due to unrealistic amounts of virus used, with the real world traces of the virus really being found on surfaces, not actually being infectious. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
The overwhelming evidence is that the spread is driven by aerosols, not the touching of surfaces
PS. Not sure it's really necessary to be quite so unpleasant with your posting style. I'm sure everyone would appreciate it.
useful statement from Forsa
State employers would be better off focusing on providing better services. Also, I don't think the private sector is looking to the PS for leadership, thanks.
As an example, 6 months into the pandemic:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/over-300-civil-servants-working-part-time-but-getting-full-time-pay-during-lockdown-39793198.html
Cause hes a fooking idiot?
I'm unsure how any of this is relevant to the future of remote work!
Well, simply WFH can work very well in companies with motivated staff who don't need to be monitored. But, lets be honest in parts of the PS there are productivity issues and an inability of management to actually manage staff. Added to that if there are staff who underperform or do nothing, there is very little that can be done by management. WFH makes it even more difficult. Unions will want all staff to be treated equally with respect to WFH opportunities, even if this isn't the best option.
It’s not an issue of productivity that people have... it’s workplaces invading your home space, family space making it more difficult for people / employees to switch off... the likelihood is a less then happy, relaxing, and productive personal / social / family life with no line or less of one between you and for your employer.. fûck all likelihood that whatever if any extra compensation will be enough for that, we’ll it wouldn’t plus the extra bills such as electricity etc... no, you GO to work. Shut down and shut off when you leave,nagain, no blurred lines in life...
funny i find it exactly the opposite. remote work has been the best thing to come out of the pandemic by far. More work gets done to a higher quality too and less wasted life on the DART / bus.
more quality time with family, engage in hobbies and be healthy.
Quality time with your family ? But you will be working.... during the morning and day family are off at school... back for homework etc... so quality time ? I doubt it really...
That said i can imagine plenty from the IGK (i got kids) brigade who'd be ripping the piss dipping in and out of work to help with homework, meal prep, play time... which is another reason id be even if i was working in managment... less than delighted at WFH.
You are not accounting for the amount of time saved by not commuting as one example.
Also, from a personal side of things, there are no longer weekend chores anymore, leaving our weekends 100% free for enjoyment. For example, on my last break of the day I'll throw on a wash and it will be finished when I finish work.
You are unusual in being childless.
Most people still have commutes in the form of school runs often which were previously delegated to a childminder.
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