Mad stuff, dafuq is the world coming to?
I got an explanation that explained one number by referencing two other numbers. That's a pretty childlike explanation. What is two? One more than one? Then what is one? One more than......oh.
If you're so confident I'm sure you can explain what an individual number is (be it 1,2 or 3) without referring to other numbers.
Have a feeling I'll be waiting a looooong time.
Like going on the internet to campaign against providing support for kids in difficult situation? That kind of normal?
Are you seriously suggesting that 4-year olds wake up with the intent to talk to teachers about which toilets and pronouns to use?
Come on. This is ridiculous.
Most of this thread is ridiculous tbf.
Just like the flimsy attempt to put words in my mouth.
@km991148
Have a feeling I'll be waiting a looooong time"
You couldn't couldn't count that high ,,,,
Dochas comes to mind 🤫
Lol.
Not at all. That would be terrible. Why would you do that?
I prefer just to discuss current events and topics that pique my interest. That kind of normal.
I agree. I'm speechless.
Otherwise known as avoiding a question you can't answer.
Except that this isn't about providing that kind of help to the tiny minority who might possibly come out with this themselves. This is about furthering the trans issue, giving permission to teachers and parents who are "into" this kind of thing to introduce children to it all.
Speak to any kindergarten teacher, and you'll find that they're all sympathetic, supportive, and protective of "their" children. Any child who comes to talk about gender would already be receiving sympathy, and support... they're already like that. There's no need for a government led initiative to encourage it. The only reason to implement such a directive, or anything similar is to normalise the trans topic... when it's still a emotional topic for society in general. A topic that hasn't gained widespread acceptance.
Hmm that is one interpretation all right.
No one is simply "into" this sort if thing. It's part of nature, biology even!
And what exactly is wrong with normalising trans people (or "the trans topic"). Trans people*are* normal, they do exist.
Threads like this on boards really do seem to bring out the worst on (what I assume to be) normally reasonable people (if you disagree with this, just scroll back on the last few pages here and some of the insults and comparisons made).
No idea. Replying to wrong post....?
You are literally on this thread, arguing why we should deny support to children who may have issues with their gender. Are you now in favour of providing this support? I didn't think anyone on boards every changed their mind or admitted wrong, fair play for bucking the trend!
Again - wrong post..?
Or are you saying that it is called Transbiological-sex? Simple yes or no, please.
I don't think telling children they can create their own pronouns which should be respected or allowing them to believe that you can simply choose to be a boy or a girl is in any way supportive.
I think it's quite damaging.
When I used "into" I was referring to the advocates of trans issues, who may or may not be trans themselves. There are/will be parents and others who are interested in promoting trans/gender change, while not applying it to themselves, but rather their children, or other peoples children. That's been the case in the US with advocates of trans issues.
Genuine trans people do exist, but are an extremely small percentage of people. Then, there's everyone else who now falls under the expanded umbrella term of "trans". And no, they're not normal. Which, in itself, isn't a bad thing, since "normal" is over-rated. However, depending on the Trans subcategory you want to discuss there is the potential for serious harm both psychologically, and physically. Which you already know, and have chosen to ignore... for whatever reason.
Nope.. I agree. The trans topic does tend to bring out the worst in people.. You see, I have no issue with what people do to themselves as adults. Couldn't care in the slightest. However, I do grow concerned when those choices impact others, and society as a whole. There are definite costs involved in the trans movement that aren't fully understood yet, but many people are content to rush blindly into making it, not just acceptable, but promote it. That's dangerous... and considering how few people are genuinely trans, and the remainder are choosing that path, I'd prefer to hold off on making it acceptable/normalised.
As damaging as getting it wrong the other way, or.....?
Absolutely.
You... don't have any direct experience of this, then do you?
What kind of experience do you think someone needs to have to weigh in on this? Presumably it goes both ways?
If you are asking if I know any trans people, then yes I do.
I'm still of the opinion that introducing children to, or entertaining the idea that it is possible to choose whether you are a boy or a girl is incredibly more damaging than doing otherwise.
I know a potentially transgender kid, fwiw. I say potentially because the kid doesn't know.
Question is, which one of us advocating forcing a child into a role they may not be comfortable with and that will have long-lasting consequences if we get it wrong - you or me?
What potential gender do they think they may be? What role would you be forcing him into by giving him an age appropriate biology lesson (i.e telling them they are either a boy or a girl and that can't change)?
A long lasting consequence of telling children otherwise would be a child growing up believing that boys and girls are interchangeable.
I just asked a simple question: which one of us advocating forcing a child into a role they may not be comfortable with and that will have long-lasting consequences if we get it wrong - you or me?
Reply only needs one word.
After that, you can make whatever point you like.
It wouldn't surprise me if "non-binary" is included here, where the 4-year old / parents believe the child is neither male nor female.
That, too, will come with new pronouns.
And why wouldn't it be included? It's one of the cornerstones of what it means to be trans- for many people.
I would honestly take my child out of a school which taught that you get to choose if you are a boy or a girl.
It's no more absurd than allowing the children to choose their ethnicity, skin colour, age or height.
You gave an example of a potential trans kid, but the kid doesn't know... which makes it sounds like someone else "knows" what he/she should be.
I'd say that keeping to the traditional gender norms for children would be less damaging because the culture and systems are already in place, along with the behavioral norms to be learned.
Whereas for a boy choosing to be a girl, how does that work for them? Does that mean wearing female specific clothes, hairstyles, and such? How about their body language, and behavior when interacting with others, and more importantly, the reactions of those around them? Should he change the tone of his voice? Does the boy seek to develop as a girl, along with all the unique culture that involves being a girl/woman, or drift between the two belonging to neither?
The point is that for most young people it would be easier to "fake" being a gender than to deal with the consequences of being open about it. Even if, society was 50% more accommodating and supportive of the trans situation than it is today, there would still be heaps of hurdles to leap, and quite a bit of hostility to face.
And yes, I know what it's like to pretend to be normal, and all that goes along with that... but I wonder whether people really consider the drawbacks of openly declaring themselves. It's one thing to do that as an adult in a semi-supportive environment (and ability to be independent), it's quite another thing to do it as a child or young teen. Especially, when the long-term effects of that choice, and change in behavior comes into effect. I've known queer and camp homosexuals who originally openly declared themselves, challenging others to show their opposition, but have since returned to not displaying their perceived image of what it means to be gay... they're still gay, but in public act/speak as men, not as camp/queer men... because it's tough to do for any kind of extended period, unless you're living in a bubble.
What exactly is it that makes you suspect this? And how would that differ from suspecting they are gay or just a boy taken to more stereotypical girl activities or a girl to more boy activities?
You.
This is it.
A boy playing with 'girl' toys, a girl playing with 'boy' toys. In some minds (and purposely selected funded orgs that write the 'guidance', in Scotland at least), that's all it takes.
There is nothing progressive involved, rather a reverting to regressive stereotypes.
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