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Super Article on Throw Balls in Hurling

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The link below has a great article on the amount of thrown balls in hurling and the lack of enforcement of the rules.

236 throw balls in the All-Ireland Final and the two All-Ireland Sem-Finals. [Doesn't include the extra-time in the Cork Kilkenny semi-final]

Not one free for a throw ball in any of the three games.

https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/thrown-not-blown

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Strumms

It does seem just from an observer, fairly endemic. But the quality of refereeing at intercounty level hasn’t been good... both codes the enforcement and application of the rules and regulations is lacking.

Montys return

The figures in that article are total BS let's be real here. Your man probably had one angle or even half an angle to judge it on many of those occasions.

Yes there is throwing going on, and a few culprits in particular (our soon to be hurler of the year springs to mind) but theres no way 70% of them are throws.

zetecescort

thrown hand passes, steps, charging when possession etc. there is a heap of rules constantly ignored by referees but sure they have to let the game flow

padd b1975

It's a farce.

Plenty of it in football too.

Corcaigh84

The 'handpass' the biggest scourge on the game, far worse than 'steps' imho. I would be shocked if they do anything about it in the next few years however.

ArielAtom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058205945/super-article-on-throw-balls-in-hurling

It's just an article by a Tipp lad, it's his opinion. No stats to back it up.

One_More_Mile

There are a lot of throws in the modern game but those stats don't stand up to any scrutiny. The other of 6 for Limerick in the final, is that off the stick ? Cause on watching it back the number of stick passes they completed was up there with hand passes

One_More_Mile

I am amused by a Tipp supporter going over old games with the pen and paper counting so called throws though.

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Tombo2001

Was actually thinking that during the game. I've played a lot of handball through the years so the handpass is the part of the game that comes easiest to me, but if you look at those lads there is no backswing. If you are striking it you should release the ball and there has to be some back swing to get momentum into hitting it.

I was pucking about with the kids during the week and I tried to handpass the way those lads appear to handpass, and I just couldnt do it. They were throwing throughout the game.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117808108#Comment_117808108

Yeh it’s BS. Couple of things

1) like you said, not having multiple angles, coding a hand pass in itself is tough. Saying it’s a throw ball is very tough then.. and even at that - coding it as a thrown ball is actually kind of weird behaviour

2) someone’s definition of a thrown ball might be different to others

I actually think articles/things like this are embarrassing

Asdfgh2020

would question the stats but can’t argue with a lot of what he/she says…..rapid and multiple (questionable) consecutive hand passes in close succession are a scourge on the game…..a simple rule to introduce to reduce this would be to disallow consecutive hand passes….hand to sick to hand etc etc…?

Col. Blackbeard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117812565#Comment_117812565

So that's it then, you feel embarrassed by the article, dismiss it as BS and there is nothing to see here?

Of course there are going to differences in what a tv viewer sees vs what a referee sees but how can the huge numbers contained in the article be reconciled with not a single free being awarded for the offence across all three games?

Not sure what you mean by coding above, but "someone’s definition of a thrown ball might be different to others" should be irrelevant and we should be only dealing with the definition of a clearly executed handpass i.e did the player execute a clear handpass or not?

The onus is on the player to execute the pass in such a way as to leave no doubt in the ref's mind (unless the refs view is obstructed for example, which is often the case) and excuses about the speed of players hands etc. these days don't standup.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117814073#Comment_117814073

Yes I will dismiss it completely

timple23

I don't see much in this. I thought Cian Lynch threw the ball to Hegarty for his first goal and then Coleman threw the ball 20 secs later as Cork went to score a goal. These days there is no backswing of the arm, players swing the arm, release sliothar, pause swing of arm and then continue armswing. Sometimes players may open there hand while holding the ball to make it appear that they have release it when they haven't and might actually throw it.

I have more annoyance with what I call the "henry throw", when a player throws the ball out ahead of themselves making it look like they attempted to play it on the hurley only for it to hit the ground and pick it up again, often happens when they've already made two catches.

There is no consistency between what frees are given for in early championship vs in August. Its been a bad year for refereeing in both codes.

anplaya27

Huge bugbear. Limerick definitely the biggest culprits by a country mile.

Col. Blackbeard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117814142#Comment_117814142

How prevalent is your "Henry throw" in today's game vs for example, when Henry was playing?

Can you give a few examples of it being used to advantage in this years Championship?

In your opinion is it a greater aid to a team's ability to keep position than the handpass?

Iecrawfc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117814191#Comment_117814191

of course, and the point of the thread becomes apparent..

anplaya27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117814244#Comment_117814244

Well considering they're the biggest culprits for it ? I'd say the same of any team.

robbiezero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117814191#Comment_117814191

From the article it seems that Cork are actually the biggest culprits and KK are really missing a trick by being miles off the throwing.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with the stats in the article there is no doubt its endemic in the game and its a blight on the game and hopefully some pressure will build to start dealing with that.

robbiezero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117808108#Comment_117808108

Should be very easy to disprove his figures then, he has given the times and the criteria for judging them as throws.

Browney7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117814459#Comment_117814459

In fairness to him he does (how long it took him to go through it and note each one is another story).

I struggle to see how he can be so definitive on them being throws given the footage - he said hannon's and o'donoghue's were throws for the first lynch score. I struggle too see how he can be so sure. If he did an analysis of "clear handpass", "clear throw", "debatable handpass" it would have had merit. Instead, he's deemed anything not a "clear and obvious handpass" is a throw. That undermines his "analysis" in my view.

I look forward to him publishing minute by minute breakdowns of Tipp's games and presenting his findings to the new Tipp management on how how they are or aren't missing a trick that everyone else is clearly up to.

anplaya27

I watched them v Waterford and Cork and they were definitely at it more. I remember watching kilkenny v cork and thinking out of all teams in the semis kilkenny were doing it correctly more than.any other team.

Montys return

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117814459#Comment_117814459

The man has already wasted his own time, he won't be wasting mine

Davys Fits

A Super article for sure and thankfully a few are concerned about this. Handpassing is a poor spectacle in both codes. Anything that makes the game flow and creates shallow excitement seems to be impossible to curtail in the GAA world even if its completely illegal and skill less. You cant defend a handpass (legal or illegal) and even if you can its probably an ugly tackle. Why are we not encouraging the great skills of blocks, hooks and stick passes rather than this desperate slingfest. If its not dealt with soon in hurling Im afraid it will be too late.

Grats

Of course it's the author's interpretation of a throw ball but fair play to him for coming up with the article. Nobody can dispute the fact that many hand passes are illegal. Throwing the ball speeds up the game and suits certain teams. Officials, GAA, media etc have turned a blind eye to it. Therefore every team should perfect it and use it. Cork did it more than ever this year, and are dead right. Next year's league will be interesting should all teams join in the fun.