if i had an agenda i would, but i dont.
If they contain verifiable data then bring them on.
Always good to challenge data but not to dismiss out of hand.
Maybe ill just find a few tweets that support whatever agenda im trying to push and use those.
You must think all those Deliveroo and Just Eat riders switch back to their comfy SUVs at the end of their shifts to drive back to their 4 or 5 bed houses in SoCoDu?
Try challenging WITH DATA.
yet it appears challenging the data is not ok here either....
Would have to disagree with you. It is impossible to challenge "non data", whereas data be it flawed or otherwise can be challenged if it is presented it in support of an argument. Often data that is claimed to be flawed can simply be a matter of interpretation.
"lies, damn lies and statistics" Mark Twain.
no data is better than flawed data presented to support a clear agenda to be fair.
Jeez, you seem to have put a hell of a lot of energy into objecting to 'penny-ante' changes? If they're so penny-ante, why all the objections?
It must be great to be able to sit back and not present any data at all, but just nitpick on everyone else's data instead.
We certainly need public transport improvements, but public transport is never going to provide the kind of door-to-door service available with bikes, eBikes and scooters. It is a huge part of the solution, once we provide a small bit of space safe from dangerous drivers.
Perhaps Burn's is providing a useful public information service and his time is being very well spent? And yes, public transport including an airport rail link is well (decades) overdue. But one change between cars and bikes does not negate the need for the public transport improvements outlined above. We can do both.
Perhaps Burns' time would be better spent writing to the Department of Transport, encouraging them to urgently advance a radical agenda of light and heavy rail build for this City and its hinterland, including the Metro, underground interconnecters, Luas spurs, 4-tracking etc.
We talk about modal shifts and penny-ante changes between cars and bikes, when really only efficient rail is the real modal shift the future of the City demands.
It's 2021 and we still can't bring air passengers into the City Centre on a train and a good friend and colleague of mine just turned down a job because the public transport options to get to it were minimum 1hr 40mins for a drive he could do in 25 mins. Both locations in County Dublin.
He is using data from October 2019, ie pre covid and claiming traffic is lower in 2020, well of course it is, does he mention covid at all.
He then compares traffic week to week in October 2020, this was days before the country was locked down for six weeks so of course more people stayed at home, they didnt actually leave their house by foot, bike or car.
Traffic will not decrease until public transport improves, this is the solution and not bikes, electric bikes or escooters.
Robert Burns claims traffic has reduced in DL and adjoining areas, so not the same amount of traffic and not the same air pollution, more trips using sustainable modes of transport means less air pollution.
Also the coastal mobility route has been used thousands of times so that implies reduced trips by car..
More roads wont solve traffic issues and gridlock, only a large scale modal shift will do that..
But it has made cycling and walking more unpleasant on adjoining roads, eg Monkstown Road and Monkstown village have much heavier traffic as the coast road Southwards is now a cycle lane.
so no reduction in air pollution overall, the same amount of cars and more gridlock
but has made cycling and walking infinitely more popular and safer on the route, will all the incumbent benefits such as reduction in air pollution from cars, health benefits for those utilising it, safety improvements for children and getting them active, a more pleasant public realm..
DMURS has the private car at the bottom of the hierarchy, so every intervention that aligns with this is in fact national policy compliant... if you want to lobby to change DMURS to alter this hierarchy you should, but dont be surprised at interventions that do not prioritise the private car - our planning policy is actively encouraging this, as it should
re the high street, what about the global financial crisis or the decline of the high street all over europe? rise of online shopping? there are loads of examples from the UK, this is a broader trend not confined to DL...
Dont be ridiculous, Seapoint Avenue took a lot of motorists travelling to the seafront and onto Dalkey, most of this traffic is now travelling southwards on the Monkstown Road and going through Dunlaoghaire town centre.
This has to impact traffic levels in the surrounding areas and it has.
By the way put me on ignore if you dont want to read my posts, easy peasy.
The objective of the costal system was never to make traffic better, but IMO and this has been previously discussed, it is not responsible for making it worse. That’s down to the change in traffic light sequencing to favour pedestrians, at the expense of traffic flow.
Considering we are discussing a period of almost 20 years you do understand that its possible for both statements to be true?
You can ask anyone who lived there and i doubt many will disagree with the statement that Dun Laoighaires highstreet was decimated in the late 2000s, however it was starting to recover in the last 4-5 years.
The new coastal one way system has in my opinion made traffic worse not better surrounding DL especially on the monkstown road towards blackrock.
Ah just stop, you're not fooling anyone with selective and cherry picked data sets, just to further a narrow agenda. Lets see that same data for the entire county, and let's see the figures for Dublin 24, Dublin 22, 20, 15, 11. You have still to give any statistics that stand up to scrutiny and are delivered in an impartial way. You must think Jobstown looks like a scene from China with all those working people cycling off to the factories and offices.
Here's some interesting statics for your to conveniently ignore, the number of people who cycle to work has declined since 1986 and is just a third of the number of pedestrians in 2016. Road transport remains the overwhelming majority.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp6ci/p6cii/p6mtw/
anecdotes are great and all but they dont actually prove anything.. data is preferable, actions and evidence of their impacts...
for instance ive seen loads of crazy references that the new coastal mobility route has destroyed dun laoghaire, but according to you it was wrecked a decade and a half ago.. who are we to believe?
people who live within the canal don’t need or want a car, ample employment, work , social outlets, leisure facilities, public transport etc
it still doesnt prove the argument you make that motorists are better off, in fact im not really sure what argument you are making.
Try looking at some actual data rather than anecdotes. Car ownership rates would suggest that they're not essential for many households, and less essential every day, with the growth in cargo bikes, eBikes and car sharing services.
Try adding running costs like tax, insurance, fuel and maintenance into your comparisons there and see how it changes the outcomes.
If you arent going to read what ive posted previously then im not going to bother discussing anything with you, keegans actions in DL and the consequences of them are well known to anyone from the area and those who claim otherwise are just rewriting history to push some kind of agenda.
Right turns are banned in many locations, doesn't make a blind bit of difference, people just ignore the signs. Leopardstown Road to Leopardstown Avenue is a case in point.
according to the other poster cyclists are practically destitute, but now it appears they are bigger spenders than motorists,
that is quite the turn up.
How did he push people out?
Dundrum was always likely to take shoppers away from other southside centres, in the main dundrum has a nicer public realm and the shopping centre while bland enough is well occupied.. you can't really blame dundrums success on him?
Cyclists spend more than motorists and businesses are known to significantly over estimate the amount of customers who are motorists
Indeed he was Count Manager i stand corrected however your willfully ignorinhg his actions to rewrite your own version of history. He pushed people out of DL prior to the financial crisis and once they had gone to dundrum or the other places why would they start coming back? Especially since after by 2012 due to the crash it was barely a shell of its former self.
A cycle around any working class housing estate in Dublin would illustrate just how essential a car is and how affordable they are. A second hand car can be had for less than the price of a cargo bike.
I run both. In fact in the house are 4 bikes and 2 cars. I'm sure many people in Dublin do too. I could choose to run either, or neither.
I'm surprised that you of all people consider that the mere possession of either is an indication of relative wealth.
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