What is there cast iron proof of?
That SF decided to register itself as SF?
provisional sf you mean dont you ? ya know that one you said never existed .....
The same one as since 1905?
Instead of this childish deflection do you think the article is false?
They were called that by the media. See link.
They didn't refer to themselves as that...see link.
Your RTE mess of an article says that Adams decided to register SF(what they called the party) as SF.
Here is some further evidence that SF were NOT referring to themselves as Provisional Sinn Fein, a speech by O'Bradaigh. You will notice he EVEN takes the Irish Times to task for referring to them as the Provisionals.
the Irish Times on 30 August said, wherever it got its information, in a leading article "There�s a considerable body of support within the Provisional movement (as they called it) for entering parliament,"
The MEDIA used the term Mike, not the party. Again, you need to have suffcient knowledge of the actual history to know when a journalist is trying to lead you to think in a certain way, and that RTE article is slanted and written to do just that.
If you look up whataboutery in the dictionary your post will be used as a prime example.
Given the RTE link yous provided earlier refernced this particular nonsense as beinh pushed by micheal martin. (1st paragraph)
Would you not feel its pertinent to highlight the fact he is someone who tries to lie and gaslight the public regularly (utterly dispicable carryon btw)...and this is just simply another example,which hardly warrents further sunlight??and people should rightly be skeptical of its bona fides🤔
It's safer to say that it is a campaign to disconnect SF from it's roots rather than SF conducting a campaign to falsify it's roots.
As dudley failed to produce evidence of this 'campaign' being conducted.
That RTE article shows that Martin and Varadkar double teamed to try and undermine SF connection to the birth of the state. No other word for it.
Not that it all matters, they are still at the gates. Another pointless campaign by the power swap.
Looks like you never made it past the first paragraph. Francie went after Varadkar and RTE and you went after Martin which is telling.
"The Fianna Fáil leader found an unlikely ally in Fine Gael leader Leo Varadkar, who also highlights the distinction between the ‘Sinn Féin’ of today, and that of the early part of the 20th century. This was particularly evident during the recent general election, when he claimed that the party was founded in 1971. This met with derision on social media, where many opined that Varadkar needed history lessons, as "everyone" knew that Sinn Féin had been founded in 1905 by Arthur Griffith.
"As it happens, Varadkar was indeed wrong, but only by one year. McDonald’s party had actually been founded in January 1970, and is (at least) the fourth organization to use the Sinn Féin name.
Mate....if micheal martin is pushing it....its likely lies,the man is utterly delusional and openly sneers and laughs at public,if yous look at lies he told about healy-raes in the dail and laughed into their faces when called out (& hasnt corrected dail records)....this is to my eyes,what he thinks of electorate who dare not vote for him.
Whole article is a swing and a miss for me anyway
How deos he account of them operating from same premises as the 1920s?
Its the utter contempt they hold for anyone who isnt one of them bothers me
Claiming no bank bailout
Claiming c+s was anything other than a coalition
Their supporters claiming black and tans werent ric....
always someone else to blame for their fcukups and never accept responsibility,
their supporters demand we accept lower standreds,than what we set for ourselves
the list is fcuking endless,
The way they carryon and treat indos/anyone outside m50,we dont matter down here & they sure as fcuk dont care anyway,with their one rule for them and another for everyone else
aw goy , your back ? ever find that proof ? na sure it dont exist
didnt read the link did ya francie , btw its not mine but another posters
what was it before the re reg ? was it psf re reg as sf to try to attach itself to ha historical party that n longer exists ? of course it was
man im worried about you you used to be much better at this
O'Bradaigh mike, proves what I was saying. SF did not refer to themselves as the Provisionals at that time. It was a media moniker.
I know it may be painful to admit you were wrong and that RTE article you depended on for so long was using the prefix as the media have always done, but AAdams wasn't and he was simply registering the name as they didn't need to before that because they were absenting themselves from parliament. Doesn't mean there was no party though, no matter how much you want that to be the case.
Try reading the actual history sometime. The histories that don't have a slant to them. I mean the first paragraph of that RTE article should have had you on alert. Michael, Leo and the rest want you to believe a certain narrative and you did. They have been wanting the electorate to believe a certain narrative since way before the 2020 GE. You know the stuff that rebounded on them again and again.
The RTE article was written by a lecturer of history (Not RTE). I would tend to believe them over a poster who spends multiple hours a day throwing out the party line.
"Michael, Leo and the rest want you to believe a certain narrative" - What do you think you are doing? Maybe get people believe a certain narrative?
You could contact Dr Séan Ó Duibhir if you have issues with the well put together article instead of trying to discredit it by using Micheal, Leo and RTE?
the word of a terrorist carries very little weight francie 🤣 mind you im sure he wouldn't call himself that either
resorting to using him as a source is laughable ,
you are once again committed to a lost cause , btw do you mean party propaganda rather than actual history?
defiling our nations history is one of the many things that expose sf for what it is
Anyone with a knowledge of this country will know that historians differ all the time. That is just a fact on an island with no agreed history.
That 'well put together article' is wrong on the name the party called themselves and has led several readers of it here up the garden path, sadly.
And it is also a fact that the two main parties of this government has form in trying to alter the historical record. Here is a historian lambasting them for doing it in the C&S government.
"Embarrassing unhistorical sh*t": 2016 advisor doubles-down on video criticism (thejournal.ie)
Yeh...'defiling our history' is right mark. :)
BTW, I didn't ask you to believe or sign up to what O'Bradaigh said or was selling. I asked the poster to read it andd see he was NOT referring to Sinn Fein as Provisional SF and actually has a go at the Irish Times for doing it. Thus proving the point I was making.
But you run off muttering 'terrorist'predictably. 😁
So you agree, that the history of SF today only started in 1970...
Glad we agree on that point.
I will take the word of a lecturer of history any day over a poster who spends up to 18 hours a day 7 days a week pushing the party line. As I said maybe contact them if you feel the article is incorrect and needs updating. You posted links to Wikipedia as your source.
Wrong again Ha.
The source is the book written by, guess what, two historians, quoted in citation 70.
This.
Anyone who tries to tell their version of the truth when one is so invested personally in the topic are to be avoided like the plague.
Let me see Mike...who was in the SF before 1970 and who was in it after 1970?
Oh look the same people minus those who left.
Who is Mike?
There were different people in both organisations. Hence why the SF of today have very little to do with the SF of yesteryear. Know your history Francie.
mark ?
are you saying that link refers to the posted article ? coz its 6 years older .
your taking what o bradaigh as fact for no reason other than the party tell you ? hard to believe any one could be that naive.
once again for you
"Under its first leader, Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, Provisional Sinn Féin was simply a propaganda adjunct to the Provisional IRA."
Citation 70 form WiKi?
Haven't bought the book can you post the part you see relevant? WiKi does not link to it.
There were two organisations AFTER the split.
FF formed from a previous split and have a legitimate claim to be traced back to SF too.
*Apologies, you post very like mike, got confused.
JESUS.
O'Bradaigh doesn't use the prefix and actually calls out the IT for using it. It's the transcript of a speech he made. Are you saying modern SF doctored it on the CAIN site?
More bizarre every minute rather than admit you are wrong.
OK so the new SF was not the old SF. Glad we agree.
This thread crazy for a few days
The SF today are the post popular party in the country, all this deflection won't take away from that
Its deflection from whats going on with the entertainment industry, it happens every single time.
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