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The facts are the Failte Ireland website wasn't 'up to date' only the AG, the merrion and Zappone knew the alleged actual regulations, if you believe that. Then Varadkar brought in the AG to cover for him. You should really read up on a story before coming in to defend the government parties willy nilly.
I don't believe that, given the public health regulations get published to gov.ie and in the public domain as soon as they are signed into law. A few tall tales going around I see.
Looks like I'm not the one that needs to do a "read up".
If you read the article it explains why the Merrion was right. Not sure why the confusion here.
No-one is disputing the Merrion where correct as the AG retrospectively confirming the regulations, (you might as well have come in here telling us all that it took place on a Wednesday evening Dudley) the question was...... how did the Merrion know it was complying with the Failte Ireland regulations?
There's no confusion, and no-one is disputing the Failte Ireland's guidelines at the time of the party didn't clarify the party was complying with guidelines or regulations, as has been confirmed by govt ministers.
Asked if he knew when signing off on the regulations months ago that they would allow for outdoor parties for up to 200 people at five-star hotels – although Ms Zappone’s in late June was for 50 people – Mr Donohoe said he accepted there was a confusing gap between the regulations and the Fáilte Ireland guidelines to hospitality.
So once again, how did the Merrion know the party was compliant with regulations or guidelines at the time? Who did they ask, and how did they do so?
Thanks for bringing up more questions than answers Dudley.
Yet again.
Ring the Merrion and ask them? how many times has the same question been asked and its the same answer. Ring them and ask.
It also has it owns thread, to me it doesnt bring up any more questions, iuts the same ones all along
I thought the Merrion did respond to that already? I believe they said that the Failte Ireland guidelines were silent with respect to outdoor events at the time and therefore they relied on the regulations (which allowed outdoor events for up to 200). Can't remember where I read that now but I do recall seeing that explanation coming from the Merrion.
I haven't seen those FI guidelines to verify the hotels claim, but we know they were fine with respect to the regulations in any case so probably little for the hotel to worry about either way.
So you are calling the entire hospitality Industry and Failte Ireland liars to cover for the Merrion knees up? As I say, desperate times for ye lads.
I'll explain your confusion. Bubaclaus wanted clarification on Failte Ireland not having the alleged up to date info. I showed him. It was the AG had to come out and explain how the Merrion was allegedly right. We still don't know were the merrion got it's info, or if it just got 'lucky'.
Have you any proof of where the merrion got it's info? Sounds like apologist hear say.
A lot of anger today. If you are going to fly off the handle and throwing around accusations that is not debating. Also pointless engaging with you if this is the carry on
Getting personal to avoid direct questions? Not very good debate. If you have a problem with people having different opinions take it up with the mods, right?
You were confused and I clarified for you and this gibberish is the thanks I get?
You only engage like this nonsense. You quote questions and scurry away.What accusations? You throw these claims around all day lad 😎
Nobody can claim or show evidence who the Merrion got their guidelines off. So using to to defend the crony tea party won't wash.
So you've no idea either, and are asking why I don't call the hotel to clarify. You're unquestionable attitude to this little puzzle does not reflect your pedantic and question every thing else, with nitpicking galore on this site it has to be said.
You are sure what the confusion is. You just admitted that when you advised me to call the hotel, because you too do not know the answer as to the confusion either.
Not confused, you seem to have an issue with the article so ring the Merrion. Or you can keep asking the same question again and again and again
Why do they need someone to tell them? They read the guidelines and followed them, what’s confusing here?
Telling people they are “apologists” is not debating.
Here comes the cave-in.
Gavan Reilly on Twitter: "Cabinet detente on live events: after meeting with Catherine Martin today the Taoiseach has agreed (with Tanaiste) to attend a stakeholders’ meeting next Monday. Martin is also to attend this Friday’s cabinet subcommittee which will do much of heavy lifting on reopening roadmap" / Twitter
I never said you were confused - I said you knew well why people would be confused, as you yourself can't give a coherent answer, or a plausible explanation....
In fact, not only did I not say you were confused, I basically said the complete opposite, your unquestionable attitude to this scenario doesn't mirror your online persona on this site.
I'll call the Merrion later this evening dudles, anyone in particular I should ask for?
No point ringing the Merrion McMurphy, wasn't there a poster here last week claiming all this was handled by a 'middle company' and they are generally incompetent.
I'll try and find the post, and you can ask the poster if they know the name of the company.
Where in gods name have you got that from? No need for you to blatantly make up lies. Its a dishonest tactic.
Has your humanity been crossed? What lies?
Based on the above I asked were you calling the entire hospitality sector and Failte Ireland liars? They all claim it was news to them, what the merrion might have known and Zappone might have know, which nobody else including the Tanaiste knew about. It's a question. Either answer it or don't. Enough of the hyperbolics.
You have read my post completely arseways if that is the interpretation you got from it.
I am questioning your claim that Failte Ireland have stated they were unaware of the new regulations. I am in no way calling Failte Ireland liars, in fact I am suggesting that your claim that they were oblivious to highly publicised new regulations is a complete fabrication never once claimed by any representative of Failte Ireland.
If you can prove otherwise (that they were unaware of new regulations, despite all the media around it and the publication of them in the public domain) then feel free to go ahead. I would be very very surprised if that has been even remotely suggested by anyone.
Yes this was the problem
If that is true, I fear it is terminal for FF.
Have any of your esteemed leaders asked this question yet I wonder? I imagine if, the Merrion hotel deduced that K. Zappones party was all above board, and was not in breach of regulations at the time, and (if Paschals statement up above is to be believed), the updated regulations were not displayed as such on the FIs website (so they couldn't have got clarification from their site if true) then the obvious question that needs to be answered is, who they asked for clarification, when they asked for clarification, and the manner in which they requested their clarification.
Any relevent contact between Merrion - Failte Ireland, and from Failte Ireland - Merrion will be (or certainly should be) on record and documented for FOI purposes.
Maybe if there's no record of contacting FI, it's because they didn't contact Failte Ireland for clarification though.
So that leaves Paul Gallagher as the only reasonable explanation as to whom it was they got clarification from, and it was he who actually told them, as it was he who was needed to clarify to everyone, (including to Leo), that the party was in fact "not breaking any regulations", even if it was in hindsight, and no-one present at the party knew on the night if, they were of were not breaking regulations, until he rescued them by clearing the whole thing up....
Personally I'm comparing the whole debacle to someone who decided to drive home with drink on board, ok the breath test came back that they were just above the legal limit, but they didn't know that would be the case when they made the conscious decision to get behind the wheel knowing they had taken drink. Leo Varadkar wasn't sure of not whether he was breaking covid regulations, and he admitted such on live television.
I'm personally not convinced that this is over (we know the crony appointment is going to be looked at on several fronts, and theirs a thread devoted to that) but there are lots of questions still unanswered here by LV, KZ the Merrion Hotel, Failte Ireland and the AG now too. Just to add, I think it was not only unprecedented, but also (un)statesmanly that the Attorney General allowed himself to be caught up in this sordid little affair.
Thats what the attorney general job is,it seems.....to rubberstamp and make good ffg fcuking about......misbehaviour and fcuking about is ok for them,but not ordinary people on the street....some republic of equals this is
If ever a role needed re-evaualting and someone needed to start answering qs regarding ethics to dail committees,its that chancer
If they push after the Dáil recess the AG could be in real bother explaining this and that will lead to a crisis in the separation of powers.
Does Leo know what he might have done?
The Attorney Generals integrity should never need to be questioned, between this, and the controversy around the Supreme Judge thing FG were caught at, they've a lot to answer for as regards our justice system under their tenure.
They should be pushing and the tourism/bar and restaurant lobby along with IBEC should be wanting answers as to why the government is issuing regulations and guidelines that are nothing like what they've pushed through.
What other country carrys on like this....we are a pure jokeshop.....they simply laughing at us
its one of first times i can recall attorney general advice being released
Iirc....this info/advice was forwarded unprompted to political journalists
I think its fairly safe to say,the urban myth of seperation of powers is clearly shattered and to maintain it,its time for AG (whos allowed attend cabinet meetings) to go....or at minimum face serious qs and account for what has gone on here....whole thing,as explained/claimed,simply deosnt add up to being credible to me
100%. They have abused the office of AG.
Help me out so.
Failte Ireland did not have the information stating such events were allowed. Representative bodies had their representatives on the radio saying they did not have that information. Many of them cited the Failte Ireland website. Failte Ireland sought clarification after they got wind of the merrion event.
What is it you don't believe? If it's the above, are you calling them liars or mistaken idiots?
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