Murder at the Cottage | Sky

chooseusername · 22-08-2021 02:18PM

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While we're thinking outside the (Bailey) box,

did the local handyman (Leo?) doing the fencing work for Sophie while she was at the cottage, turn up for work that Monday morning?

Deeec · 22-08-2021 03:50PM

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Is this Leo Bolger - I didnt realise he was doing fencing work for Sophie?

22-08-2021 04:02PM

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I don't know. i though his work for her was when she first bought the house?

22-08-2021 04:14PM

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Leo and Alfie were running a sophisticated drug operation together. Sophie had already gone to the Garda about it. She had enemies let's put it that way. And the Gards were involved in it, turning a blind eye at least for backhanders...

This was all known locally

Deeec · 22-08-2021 04:19PM

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Very interesting indeed. I had heard she had complained to the Gardai about drugs in the area - but I didnt realise it related to Alfie and Leo.

Darc19 · 22-08-2021 04:57PM

Why is the senior garda (now deceased) that was living in the area and who had a history of violence and known to have had many affairs especially with non-locals not named by anyone.

Every other potential suspect has been named, but not this particular garda.

It would be interesting to peruse his history and his whereabouts on the night in question

flanna01 · 22-08-2021 05:13PM

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If true - This is a game changer!

Did Sophie name Alfie Lyons in her complaint(s) to the Gards?

Bailey recently stated on his Twitter account that the gate leading up to Sophie's house was always closed, but was open on the morning her body was discovered.

To me, that means a car was present. This would tie in with the skid marks photographed at the scene. Did Sophie intervene in a delivery to Alfie's place?

Strange that Alfie didn't hear the commotion at that time of the morning, nor his Mrs, nor indeed his mutt(s)...??

In fact, nothing strange reported that morning from the Lyons household, except the Good Alfie was sporting a bandaged hand...

22-08-2021 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117789355#Comment_117789355

do you know when he died? is his name not in any of the books?

chooseusername · 22-08-2021 06:19PM

"Bailey recently stated on his Twitter account that the gate leading up to Sophie's house was always closed, but was open on the morning her body was discovered."

The gate marked the extent of Sophie's property, and also the beginning of the right-of-way over the lane Sophie shared with another landowner for about 30 mtrs.

Thereafter the the r-o-w was over Richardson's land.

She was the only one who wanted the gate closed as far as I know, and this caused friction.

"Strange that Alfie didn't hear the commotion at that time of the morning, nor his Mrs, nor indeed his mutt(s)...??"

Strange alright if it was a morning attack,

Alfie had no dogs at that time ,I believe.

22-08-2021 06:23PM

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As far as I'm aware this is true, and local knowledge. The drug operation was busted some years later (leo bolger you can look up as it made the news), but it was him and Alfie according to my source.

The Garda who's car was (likely) seen speeding away at 7.30 am was involved but there's also rumours of his involvement with Sophie, but no one knows. Although I've tried to look up this now deceased Garda, I can't find anything. I do have his name and year of death but don't want to post in on here. My source also said he was "an expert in cleaning up crime scenes"

To me, this is the most plausible explanation : that something was going on with the drug operation /Sophie and she had to be silenced... Although it was an angry rage killing so not premeditated. Apparently Leo also wore doc Martins.... Remember the print on Sophies body?

22-08-2021 06:24PM

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2001. Well if he was involved it was covered up for sure

MoonUnit75 · 22-08-2021 06:33PM

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Leo Bolger’s grow house (bunker) was miles away near Dunbeacon and he was busted over a decade after the murder.

More barrel scraping going on I see. Yes indeed, the streets of Schull were strewn with the chalk outlines of the victims of the desparate drug feuding and turf wars of the mid 90’s. Load of nonsense. If there was a big supply operation going on up that cul de sac the absolute best way they had to keep it under wraps was to commit the first murder in a century just metres from the heart of the operation. Then leave the body right there.

None of Sophie’s friends or family ever mentioned any concern with drug dealing or supply or people growing their own herb in the area. She brought her teenage son there regularly.

Nice to see the phantom violent foreign-lady seducing blue fiesta driving cattle rustling Garda was been inserted into this fairytale as well!

22-08-2021 06:46PM

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At that stage they were growing it on Alfies land.

Only sharing what I've been told from someone local! Are you local Moonie?

Josephine hellen in her statements mentioned Sophies concerns about local drug dealing, but it's known she went to the Garda about it and made a complaint.

Not a phantom, I have his name, location and year of death. I'd Garda corruption such an outlandish idea to you? There was a rake of it going on, especially in the 90s. Half the history of this case involves garda bribery and all sorts of shizzle

chooseusername · 22-08-2021 08:27PM

My nearest neighbour is 75 mtrs away.

I can hear them leave the house for school and work in the morning, car doors , cars driving off, I can hear the kids on the trampoline in their garden in the evening.

I can hear them when they have a bbq and kids parties.

Alfie's house is 60 mtrs. from Sophie's .

To say nothing could be heard of such a violent attack in the morning is hard to believe, or even in the dead of night for that matter.

Sorry Moonunit if this distracts from your Baily bashing "makey-uppey"

EdHoven · 22-08-2021 08:47PM

Looking into Alfie the earliest reference I can find to the restaurant which was called "Basil Bush" not "The Basil Bush" is 1979 when it was in the Good Food Guide.

Also in 1981 there is mentioned an A. Lyons winning a prize for making jewellery and a G.Lyons who seems to be a school girl, both of Basil Bush. It would seem to me Alfie had a family prior to Shirley. I wonder where they went?

Darc19 · 22-08-2021 09:04PM

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I go against everything moonunit says, but I'm in a rural area. I've a neighbour next door, circa 70m and a neighbour across the lane, circa 90m door to door.

Both have numerous movements day and night and I would only notice when car headlights are on.

Aside from that, I would not hear anything from either house when I'm indoors.

Both houses have 4 adults. (Parents and adult children) coming and going.

22-08-2021 09:22PM

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Sent you a pm, not sure if it went ?

MoonUnit75 · 22-08-2021 11:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117786480#Comment_117786480

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-complex-and-secret-private-life-of-fragile-sophie-26805384.html

Brief mention of the other earlier suspects being ruled out here.

MoonUnit75 · 22-08-2021 11:09PM

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I can’t find any source that says Josephine Hellen mentioned drug dealing in her statements, she mentioned arguments about drainage and someone using the facilities in the house but that these issues had been sorted. The statements were available to IB for the High Court case and there’s no mention of this ‘drug ring’ that was apparently going on or blue cars flying around the place that morning or a mad, bad, foreign-lady-lovin’ cattle rustling’ Garda. Why not name him if he is dead??

MoonUnit75 · 22-08-2021 11:12PM

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I think you can barely see the top of Sophie’s house from Alfie’s, it’s on a hill and it was down even further where the final attack was carried out. She may also have been stunned by a rock to the back of the head after a few cross words and did not have the capacity to scream for help.

chooseusername · 22-08-2021 11:17PM

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Yes, you're right ,

I was assuming Alfie would've been up and about like I would at an early hour.

23-08-2021 12:26AM

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"She may also have been stunned by a rock to the back of the head after a few cross words and did not have the capacity to scream for help."

Be careful you don't incriminate yourself with too much inside information NickMoonunit. Isn't that what put the hounds onto Bailey in the first place?

Loafing Oaf · 23-08-2021 12:43AM

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More barrel scraping going on I see. Yes indeed, the streets of Schull were strewn with the chalk outlines of the victims of the desparate drug feuding and turf wars of the mid 90’s.

EdHoven · 23-08-2021 07:37AM

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What happened to Alfie's first family?

The story was him and Shirley retired home from London. But it seems like he came back from the US with presumably a wife and at least one child.

If we can delve back into what IB was doing in Cheltenham I'd like to know if AL had any skeletons in the closet.

chooseusername · 23-08-2021 09:24AM

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This is the view from Alfie's yard at his eastern gable, albeit 22 years later, but not much had changed.

The western gable of Sophie's house is visible ,as is the lawn down which she is may have fled;

alfies1.jpg

The view from the rear to put it in perspective;

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90 mtrs as the crow flies from Alfie's to the gate;

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solasGael · 23-08-2021 10:04AM

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I would have been inclined to agree with you but for the time of the attack. In the Sarah Grace rape incident, the victim was raped violently in the middle of the night by an intruder in her bedroom and her roommates did not wake up until she herself was able to alert them. I do think this murder happened in the so-called dead of night and that, yes, AL and SF would have heard something if they were awake.