You singled out the Shinners for lying about their past...preposterous all day long.
That is Sinn Fein history
You currently support what was called "Provisional Sinn Fein", they have nothing to do with the above as they only got created in the 1970.
It isn't a "preposterous claim" is it? is that not what the posts above have confirmed?
Mentioning parties is not, its just another deflection as usual.
Tbf sinn fein started off as a royalist party (german),but quickly morphed into republican as to oppose irish parlimentry party(and counter connolly/larkin....connolly execution remains one of the worst political murders of 20th century imo)
FF split away into a monster of a party (and powerhouse of irish politics for generations) in 1926 to take seats,most famously several turned up armed with revolvers on 1st day
Fg background is 1930s facism to emerge to oppose republicanism of FF (along with rise across europe tbf).....but they have always struggled to keep the tendacy towards tyranny under wraps and any time they been in power,they make full use of the gaurds,from heavy gang in 70s terrorsing families,to heavy deployment againest water protests and most lately to enforce covid restrictions
They all have their roots in the struggle for independence.
P.S. If you make the preposterous claim you made about parties hiding their past as if it is unique to one party, YOU introduce the comparison. Mentioning other parties is entirely relevant in that case.
Its rather curious....they go quiet,when anyone qs em on why their founding member approached german embassy in 1943 offering to recruit people to assist on eastern front
Yous would understand,if it was a period they ignore,but are happy to know about de valera offering condolences on hitler,or sean russel "links" despite him being exonerated by someone whom testified at numerberg trials.......but mention oduffy and met with a near omerta wall of silence,they like to accuse shinners of
Well you should bring that up on the FG thread because this is the SF one. As usual any comment about Sinn Fein is returned with something something FG something something
As I have said many times I don't and never have supported FG. So they also have questions to answer on what you have raised.
Now back to Provisional Sinn Fein, are we agreed now they have no link to the original Sinn Fein? or should I expect a reference to some other political party?
I dont see sinn fein lying about past either??
Try as you might,factually yous talking point is incorrect....party founded 1905 (ironically orginaly a royalist party!),oldest in state and forerunner to all others
You could not invent the haymaker dudley72 walked into there. What a humdinger.
Good point dudley, in fact it's an excellent point!
"It does say a lot about a political party when they have to lie about their past. Especially when their supporters are doing the same
Its tells its own story"
I have asked FG reps publicly on social media now for a while, why they had airbrushed O'Duffy out of their history, within the "our history" section of their own website, they had a detailed enough section outlining the party's formation, notable events in its history, past leaders and Taoiseach etc, but surprisingly enough there's literally no mention of O'Duffy there, none at all, it's like the man never existed.
I went to link to that section of their website this evening, (because I like to provide substantiated verifiable, sources with my claims) but guess what?
They've even gone and removed any mention of their history now completely, (as far as I can tell) talk about airbrushing history.... That detailed (if flawed) history section has been completely removed now altogether. Check for yourself.
(a bit gutted that the point I was going to make can't be made now in the manner I intended, but every cloud dudley, every cloud)
They've literally airbrushed their own party history, from their party website. Are they ashamed? Was there loads of people asking about the dubious claims about the formation, and the lack any mention of the blueshirts and O'Duffy???
And did Bobby Sands invent the IRA?
James Connolly would puke if he saw his party today.
It's a silly argument. Parties are supposed to stand for things, have a brand. We know that's mostly shite, so we can only go on recent history and today...which is why FF/FG like talking about the 'RA 😎
😁😁😁'other parties lying about their past' 😁😁
Fine Gael are of course only too proud to mention their fascist roots aren't they? They prefer to instead pretend they are linked to Collins*
Man, I love watching the hissy fits and knicker twisting about SF being from the same place as the morally holier than thou FF and FG guys and gals. Brilliant stuff.
*a man as ruthless as any of the modern IRA, but say that to a FGer...another hissy fit incoming. 😁
Read Sinn Fein own history:
Not much till the 1970s, if you are going to continue this charade lads you need to tell the web admin to update the website
This is a SF thread, Hence we are discussing SF. I don’t see any other party in Ireland lying about it’s past and their supporters desperate to link them with a totally different party.
The history is fre and available, pity for you that can’t lie.
No idea what liberals required a mentioned, maybe you can explain?
Says even more about other parties deficit of policies,they have to sophistory about other parties background and try claim.all sorts of spurious sh1te,which deosnt stand up scrutiny
But liberials,just dont like having anyone dare qs em or expose their messing,with facts and logic.....after decades of free reign politically,hopefully a party willing to stand upto their arrogance will come about
It does say a lot about a political party when they have to lie about their past. Especially when their supporters are doing the same
Its tells its own story
Except of course,the fact they the same🤣
But you goys simply dont like facts and logic😆......tell us more,how party with same members (80% walked out & reconstited),operate out of same premises with 100 odd years,have the same name.....
how have yous goys come to conclusion they arent related,commomsense,facts and logic would expose yous positon as,well between silly and outright contemptus of the truth🤣🤣
the current Sinn Fein formed in the 70s and called themselves the Provisional Sinn Fein after the Provisional IRA. They dropped the Provisional after a few years. They have nonexistent links back to the Sinn Fein party in the early 1900
They do lie to try link the two but it not and never will be the truth
If you want to deny this, that’s your choice, don’t expect everyone to laugh at you when you are explaining it.
Please don't tell me you think this is coherent?
as it happens the one of the murders of the two gardai being commemorated had been involved in the war or independence as had at least one of the gardai .
They literally operate from same premises and same name unbroken with 100 years at this stage🤣🤣🤣
Yous been sold a lie mate.....its really as simple as that,
now obviously a weirdly large amount of your self-worth has been tied up in perpetuating this lie,nothing i can do,but recommend terapy
,but no amount of emotive bluster nor obstrusion is going to wipe away fact,logic and commonsense surronding this
There was no FG'er or FF'er in the GPO during the rising, but they'll happily take ownership. So to try say today's SF aren't connected to the 'good' SF spawned FF, is just silly.
As Francie said this is just a ploy that FG and FF have tried on for years. They want the glory days as viewed through romantic rose tinted glasses. FG have more in common with the Home Rule Redmond types than the rising, despite claiming Collins. In fact FG trying to commemorate the RIC/Tans would have turned the stomachs of those who fought to rid us of the British including Collins.
SF have a housing plan, FG/FF are still working on one which word has it is more of the same, money for cuckoo funds and leased rentals instead of building social housing.
i can see why you would would try to ignore something as uncomfortable as that with regard to your party
so give me an example of your proof blazz , your very uick to deman proof for everything and anything if you think it will disrupt the thread , nows you chance to come up with something other than internet buzz words like sealoining ,
hate to have to remind you but i backed up my point with facts , ie sf as it exists now was started 51 years ago not in 1905 like you claimed
The more you protest the more you prove the point.
And sort out the second paragraph there in your post...hard to make sense of it.
Except i have on at least 3 occasions,shown the rather obvious holes within your talking point,that expose it as dim,to put it politely
Enough of the sea-lioning,your obstrusion here is obvious as an effort to coverup fact you position deosnt hold water....but whatever im sure yous will be back again to parrot some other dubious talking point,as fact😴😴😴😴
when and where ? i saw nothing approaching logic or proof from you ,
do it again please ,
Except i did post it,and qualified the answer?
Like the fact you have resorted to outright obstrusion and unable to answer/account for some glaring holes within your talking point,is for you to come to terms with i guess....but factuallly and logically,your canoeing without a paddle as regards this,so to speak
any look with all that logic and them fact you went looking for ? 😀😀
Whats the difference,they all fighting for same thing?
Speaking of siding with nazis,why was oduffy wanting send people to eastern front in 1943 and would yous be concerned with the fg reverence of him?
come on now francie , this has been explored many many times on many threads including this one.
trying to link the likes of slab storey and mary l to the war of independence really is a nasty disrespectful smear ,
one sided with the nazis and one sided with Ireland , talk about being uncomfortably on the wrong side of history eh ?
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