but but surely you are not suggesting you don't believe these men when they say they will uphold the rights of women? 🙃
The point of being there was to provide private security for corporations who didn't want to pay for it themselves, so instead they sent the military (paid for with tax dollars, natch) under the guise of bringing freedom yadda yadda yadda. They succeeded.
The U. S. military didn't win either, otherwise they wouldn't have been there for 20 years. As with other examples in history it's near impossible for a conventional army to win against a guerrilla force and vice versa. Eventually one side wants out and withdraws after a deal is made.
The whole point of being the president is the buck stops here , this is a total clusterf~~ck, 1000s of western civilians left behind, translators and people who worked for the us army left behind to be rounded up. this situation is is 1000 times worse than the fall of saigon.blaming trump for this is pathetic
large amounts of tanks weapons guns explosives hi tech weapons left behind to be used against the west or sold to terrorist groups .the agfhan armu did not fight much, they mostly ran away or left their weapons behind.
from the taliban press conference today ,we will not discriminate against women. really, this is a group who whip young girls for wearing sandals not covered up really, i believe that and i believe the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.woman will be used in a few jobs like nurses or maybe teachers which men cannot do or else taken into forced marriage imagine living in a country with no tv ,no music, women cant go outside without a male escort .it is worse than north korea in terms of human rights, at least women can work at many jobs and in theory are treated as equal to men.
Do they see the US as the empire they stood up against? Cause if so, they waited until that empire left to take over as there was no way they could fight and win against the US army
True was quite a small one. Even a month ago there were mention of Blackhawk and Super Tucano deliveries to come later in the year.
Imagine the Taliban will be able to keep some of the Mi8/17s flying. Not sure about some of the Western stuff.
The rebels of Ireland stood up to an empire who were occupying their country - that's how i imagine the taliban see themselves.
And Germany and Japan
The Taliban are based in Pakistan. That's where they came from, that's where their madrassa's taught them, that is where they fled to 20 years ago. And all they had to do was simply wait in Pakistan for the inevitable clusterf**k to happen once again in order to waltz back into Afghanistan. And make no mistake, the last 20 years was a total clusterf**k. The American military and their allies had no clue who they were fighting in Afghanistan. Mainly because the majority of the ones the Americans were supposed to be fighting and looking for were over the border in Pakistan.
Of all of Afghanistans invaders, can you point out one who spent so much time and money on it as the US??? Had there been a referendum held a month or more ago, to decide who the Afghan people wanted to rule them, the Americans or the Taliban, America would have won it hands down. And the Taliban know this too, which is why there was no referendum offered to the Afghan people. They took over at gunpoint, and any resistance they met they had no compunction whatsoever about killing. And for further proof just look at the Nrs trying to escape.
I don't even care what a screwup it is, I'm so glad Biden did it. Should have never been there in the first place and American taxpayers should not be footing the bill for it. **** Bush for starting this and I'm thankful the Afghani people cannot walk on water or the American public will have to deal with even more of this BS by housing unvetted refugees.
South Korea? Grenada? Panama? Kuwait? Former Yugoslavia? I guess Haiti is arguable. Operation went well enough, just the country never picked itself up as it should have.
That's with the conventional forces. Things like "deployments to support and train" are happening around the world from Europe to Africa, South America and Asia.
South Korea? It is peaceful and stable and regarded as a success story.
Be interesting to see what you would do, if you were in the same situation....when a group of heavily armed men take over your town /vilage / city. And especially when the said group have a proven history of mindless salughter. I will never call anyone a coward, especially anyone in a situation like this.
Genuine question...
Is there any country that's the states have got involved in since WWII that's has not resulted in a complete cluster fcuk?
But we don't have an embassy or consulate in Kabul either. I'm not sure what the legalities would be of the Air Corps trying to fly into a country with which we don't have diplomatic relations.
For most Taliban ( and isis too) a lot of their soldiers are fairweather fighters...literally, there is no other way to make a living, and thats the bare truth. ( thats not to say that they don't have a core of dedicated fanatical fighters, as they certainly do ) But Iraqi and Syrian friends of mine have been picked up off the street, and 24 hrs later find themselves in military uniform, and in active zones. They would be the first in line to throw down ther weapons , hug the new regime / govt etc. Hard to blame them either. Neither would I consider them to be cowards.
It's absolutely mad. Still trying to wrap my head around it.
No, other countries take responsibility to their citizens seriously.
Countries all over Europe sending military transport for their citizens. Except Ireland, we don't have any.
A bit of tokenism ,we will take in 150 refugees , only recently media reports of having to bring out 150 Irish nationals most of whom have dual nationalities aka an Irish passport on top of their own nationality ,
So are we getting refugees or just bringing in passport holders
We cant get or citizens out of Donegal by train so your long range heavy lift aircraft is just gonna have to wait. I bet there are a whole heap of countries doing the same as us
Countries all over world are sending aircraft for their citizens. It's not unusual. Except us of course.
I know you want to be all anti-USA but it has nothing to do with the US.
Haha Wuhan would you get over yourself. I know you want us to be some gung-ho US style country but even if we had the aircraft I doubt its as simple as just popping down to pick up our people.
And we are not begging so dont be such a Miss Piggy about it
One was actually shotdown by the Tajiks next door when the Afghan plane entered into the airspace .
They didn't have the biggest airforces in the first place
Libya and Wuhan spring to mind. The latter prompted Coveney and Varadkar to push the issue a bit but nothing since.
What do you mean get the EU to do it? We are having to beg because we couldn't be arsed investing in even a small heavy lift capacity.
We shouldn't be relying on others for something we should have for these events. They are Irish citizens, it's our responsibility but for whatever reason we don't bother.
Just reading through the thread from the beginning and seen this. Who would have thought it would be only 3 weeks?
Its grand we just get the EU to do our heavy lifting.
How many times is umpteen btw ?
Quite a few aircraft were flown to neighbouring countries. Considering that there was an assassination campaign against them, imagine they are laying low.
A new normal though. Or rather, back to the pre-2001 Afghanistan normal, possiby.
I'm no fan of Biden, but to me all this seems like a bit of a storm in a teacup. Things will blow over and return to normal very soon.
Russia, as usual, are taking a sensible approach - not closing their embassy, and saying whether or not they recognise the Taliban as officially in charge will depend on their actions.
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