Do you think forensic audits will prove that Trump is the real POTUS?
Biden was elected President.
The Trump administration brokered a deal with the Taliban in February last year that was contingent on the US withdrawing its military presence within 14 months. If the Taliban broke the deal Trump would have used military force to put them down instantly before it got to the disaster for the entire region Biden has allowed.
You're wrong but it's probably best to agree to disagree on the matter.
You never fail to disappoint.
Biden is the real POTUS. The forensic audits might only prove Trump should have been elected POTUS, and therefore aid in getting legislation enacted to ensure those things don't happen again in future elections.
Yes he was.
oh I’m very happy to disagree
Biden was elected not decreed, why is this poster allowed to keep pushing a conspiracy theory?
If you think Biden ****ed up Afghanistan, imagine being president for 4 years, with control of the senate and not being able to put a system in place that would ensure a free and safe election.
Sounds like negligence on a massive scale to me. I mean, wtf was he doing about it?
I'm assuming the forensic audit you are referring to is the one being led by the firm Cyber Ninjas - of which an interesting article was published last month by the associated press https://apnews.com/article/arizona-election-2020-e31f6eb911adb01086281291ca9e6dcf
Yes, in AZ. GOP lawmakers are pushing to have one done in my state of PA.
He did but he didn't withdraw the troops in the ten months he had left in office. He left them there. The difference is that the Afghan army capitulated in the past few months. That was unexpected whether Trump or Biden was POTUS. The real reason why they capitulated was that they were demoralised by Trump's decision to withdraw troops - hence the large number of desertions. Biden could have reversed that but it would have been too late. Once the US indicated it was going to leave which emboldened the Taliban, an army of 340,000 (many of whom were not soldiers) were never going to defeat a guerilla war in a large country with 38 million citizens. When Trump told the Taliban that the US was leaving, it just a matter of time before the Taliban took over.
Why are they pushing it? What proof has been presented to justify this audit?
Good to see that you've bought into Trump and Mike Lindell's lies hook, line and sinker. There really is no hope for the likes of you. Biden is a legitimate president and by saying he's not, then you're showing yourself to be against democracy. It's that simple.
I've found it funny that these "forensic audits" and lies about election fraud are only relating to states that Trump badly needed, but lost. How would you feel about "forensic audits" in other states that Trump won? Or should the focus only be in states where he lost? Despite, obviously, every single claim of fraud that he's made having been thrown out of court.
How likely is it that forensic audits will prove that Trump should have been elected?
about as likely as Mike Lindell uncovered the pcaps and gave them over to be analysed at his Cyber Symposium.
Genuine question if the forensic audit does not uncover what you are hoping it uncovers where will that leave you in your belief that the election was rigged?
Here is the agreement Trump made in February 2020.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf
In June of 2021 the Congressional Research Service noted that it had high confidence that the Taliban were not following through with its commitments.
“U.S. officials contend that the Taliban have not fulfilled their commitments, as violence between the Taliban and Afghan government has increased and Taliban links with Al Qaeda remain in place, according to United Nations sanctions monitors,” the report said.
Trump would not have pulled all US troops out because of this.
The Biden administration ignored this grave issue and went ahead and withdrew all US troops. Biden owns the mess he caused.
Trump was saying in April that he wanted troops out in May. He was criticising Biden for delaying. He said "we can and should get out earlier".
I'd welcome a forensic audit in any state into any election. It just so happens PA and AZ are the most disconcerting.
Like what, the ballot gets a DNA test?
Trump's legacy on support and abrupt abandonment of the Kurds
There's nothing forensic about them at all.
Because?
I mean, if the system is so open to abuse, which you clearly believe it to be the case, then surely the entire system needs to be looked at. Why would the Dems, having found such an easy way to manipulate the votes, stop at one or two states? And why stop at POTUS level when clearly they knew they needed control of the House and Senate?
Including the voting for House and Senate and if a system is so easily manipulated then don't you think it wise that the entire system is reviewed?
And it's been how long at this stage? What is the cut off from this forensic audit to turn up anything? The entire 4 years? If nothing is found by mid-terms should they be cancelled as cleary, you believe, the system is not transparent.
It all sounds great throwing out a conspiracy, but the practical effects of it are actually pretty mind blowing and potentially devasating to the standing of the US.
How far do we go back? If abuse can be uncovered, surely all senatorial races for anyone that voted for a Supreme Court Judge needs to be reviewed given the nature of such an appointment
The Routers what about THE ROUTERS. They can have all the forensics they want but the routers
This all boils down to a disbelief that he could have lost the election, despite his ratings, having already once lost the popular vote and the polls all pointing to him not getting re-elected. He was not a particularly popular president but he was the first to use social media to such a huge extent which makes him seem like he was massively popular. He latched onto a few simple catch phrases and ideas and pushed them, build the wall, MSM is evil. It was all meaningless and it was eaten up by people who wanted someone to blame for any ills or wrongs they felt were coming their way. In the modern world too many people want a bite size chunk of news and he gave them that with catchy mantras. His followers didn’t want to look any deeper.
This reminds me of one of those dodgy auctions where I bought a TV many years ago.
The sales guy must have used the phrase "Pro Logic" about 485 times in order to sound knowledgeable.
Forensic. You keep using that word...
Your concern for "things ... happening in future elections" is touching. Coming up to the one year anniversary of the election and given the failure of Trump and Trumpists court cases, rechecks and audits to find anything; what do believe actually happened last year? At what point will you believe that Trump lost because he's Trump? His countless faults and failings for holding any office or responsible role of any kind were on show for the world to see for his 4 years. This was not media driven. His own actions, tweets etc showed him for what he is. Is it really beyond the realms of possiblity that despite his and the Republicans best efforts to undermine the election, he just lost because he's patently unfit and an inanimate carbon rod could have done a better job than him?
Trump caused this situation by telling the Taliban that he would withdraw troops. That was music to their ears. Biden made a decision based on a situation he inherited. An emboldened Taliban and a demoralised Afghan 'army'. Both caused by Trump's decision to remove troops. It was only in very recent months that the Afghan army crumbled - as you say yourself. Biden then had a choice to make based on this inherited situation. He chose to remove US troops. Maybe that was the right choice given the overwhelming power of the emboldened Taliban and demoralised Afghan 'army'. The Congressional Research Service most probably advised him to pull out US troops because they would no longer be of relevance and were endangered. And so he took a difficult but correct decision.
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