Looking like the US will take in 30,000 refugees initially. Germany saying they will likely have to take in 10,000.
Videos doing the rounds of despatate Afghans falling off cargo planes as they take off , several dead
Would certainly agree with you on that. Venezuela might be easier to drum up some support from neighbours for a coalition. Cuba might be an option if the Biden administration has its eyes on Florida for 2024. Imagine either way will be after the mid term elections.
Glad they are doing it, but should they not be a tiny bit more circumspect about things at the moment? She just broadcasted to the Taliban that there are 10,000 targets in the city related to Germany alone. They were probably doing it already, but Taliban will most definitely be going door to door looking for these people now.
Not necessarily true , can't see the Taliban knocking on doors , sorry folks you know any Germans
I doubt Germany had 10,000 'helpers' whilst in Afghanistan. It's probably more of a genuine humanitarian offer.
It’s also not like Germany is only taking in German refugees from Afghanistan? Or is it all German nationals
If there are 10,000 who were working with the German's then they should be rescued as should any working with UK etc.
I've no idea if Ireland has any people there who have been working with our government but if we do they should be rescued if in danger.
That timing makes sense. Have a chat with the defense contractors about the next target(s) etc. Maybe get some campaign contributions lined up.
Merkel is specifically stating that they are people to whom Germany has a responsibility to. It seems to be 2,500 people who have assisted German forces / diplomatic staff over time and then NGO workers and so on. It sounds like a huge number but keep in mind this includes the families of such persons and the fact that we are talking about twenty years of assistance here.
I wouldn't be surpised if the figure for the US is in the tens of thousands.
Common sense goes out the window when you're desperate enough.
Can you not? https://twitter.com/CombatJourno/status/1427220857940758530
Taliban started door to door search looking for govt officials, former police & security forces members & those who worked for foreign countries NGOs or infrastructures in Afghanistan.
Think I read some article about the situation a couple of weeks ago (don't have it to hand). It was predicting (in short to medium term of next few months to a year) a contested state in Afghanistan ending in a Taliban victory but not immediately. Majority of the country under Taliban control, with the US backed government holding on in a few cities.
In such a scenario of a gradually deteriorating situation, the US and others would have time to draw down their remaining people and those who'd worked closely with them who Taliban would take revenge on when back in power.
It does look (to me) like some people somewhere in the US (and their allies) military/intelligence got that timetable very wrong! Maybe convinced themselves that the Afghan government and army were stronger than they were in reality, but what do I know...
Nobody is ignoring what's going on on the ground. Stop talking shite. There's been much criticism levelled at the Americans for the way this has been handled. It's been a bloody disaster.
There were, but would have also worked with other nations too.
Ireland has no capacity to airlift anyone, we'll be relying on the assets of other countries.
“Not necessarily true” seems like a fairly qualified remark.
I think its broad statement to make merkel look good, I think it's a suggestion they might have to take in 10,000 Afghans refugees ,but she will face opposition after the last time she opened the German border to refugees ,
It's likely it's a estimated figure from students , people who worked for NATO , journalists and women ,human rights activists
Ya, but we can give them refuge once rescued if necessary. Would make a change from some of the chancers we have been taking in over the last two decades
Yes, NGOs makes more sense but would they be specific targets for the Taliban? A lot of them would be charity and aid workers, teachers and medics and so on.
That's exactly what will happen. That is assuming, that Pakistan allows any refugees in. Afghans have been attacking Pakistani diaspora in the West, and that kind of things gets back to Pakistan, and will result in anti-afghan sentiment, if Pakistanis start seeing their relatives abroad being attacked for no reason.
It's an opinion, not a fact. Repeating it ad nauseam won't change that.
The Taliban leadership say they will guarantee the safety of humanitarian workers and so on and have asked them to remain. I'd imagine a lot want to leave though. Afterall, they were living and working in a democratic country that was relatively progressive and now they are living in a an emirate where politics is banned and basic civil liberties are curtailed. There is a disconnect between the Taliban leadership and certain factions on the ground too, their safety can't really be guaranteed.
pass that argument through the lens of the Taliban: they’re all infidels or whatever right.
i wouldn’t fall into the trap of thinking the Taliban share our value system. Killing them, enslaving them etc. would be on the table.
I think it's safe to say that American "intelligence" has been severely lacking for 20 years with regards to Afghanistan. Maybe 40, if we go back to their support for the Mujahideen.
The main failure, on top of many, was Bush and Co. seeing oil in Iraq and using 9/11 as an excuse to start a war there. That left the people in Afghanistan in the lurch and the rest is history. What we're seeing now has it origins in that.
But this plan, which appears to have been "we're going, good luck", couldn't have been more haphazard. It appears that the US just believed that they could walk away, after doing a deal with the Taliban, and hope that everything would just work out.
As for an eventual Taliban victory, no matter what, I think we in the west are just going to have to come to terms that Afghanis are more well disposed to them than we like to believe. Perhaps in the likes of Kabul and Khandahar the support for them is relatively minor. But out in the heartlands, where most of the population live, their support is no doubt higher.
We have a few apparently
The whole oil as an excuse for that war never made any sense to me. Oil was discovered in 2010, at the max.
https://twitter.com/xu_xia/status/1427230696473513986
Priorities
Imperialism lol
If the USA was an Empire the Taliban would not be rocking up to Kabul right now.
This thread started 16 days ago. At a rate of 20 per day (it's actually more) at least 320 U.S. military vets have committed suicide since the thread started. I have known and been friends with lots of U.S. vets over the years and they are some of the most decent, funny, open-minded people I have ever met. Point being, it's an atrocity that the MIC does this to its own people; exploits its poorest and treats them like trash, dangling adventure and a college education. The amount of homeless vets is unreal. It's pure evil. And that's before we consider the harm they do overseas.
WW2 ended in the defeat of a monster, but in the emergence of another in the shape of the MIC. Eisenhower saw it coming...
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