They didn't exactly enjoy life under the corrupt leadership of the warlords either.
Some posters want us to pretend that the now overthrown puppet, collaborator regime in Kabul was organic, democratic, an expression of the will of the people. This is a lie. It was a theatrical propaganda event overseen by an 'Independent Election Commission' (wink, wink) with plenty of interference from the U.S. (Dem Party MIC ghoul John Kerry was at the forefront, all in the interests of preventing fraud, apparently). Now many of the collaborators have been abandoned to their fate. This isn't surprising; the Pentagon doesn't care that 20+ military vets kill themselves every day, so why would they care about some Afghanis that were stupid and naive enough to work with them? Effin' sickening stuff all round.
It would have happened like this no matter who was in the Whitehouse.
The problem is that when the Taliban smelt victory they kept on going. Passing from one rural area to the next where US presence was nil. Most foreign presence is centred in the urban areas. As more and more of the country tipped over to the Taliban, the panic set in and we are where we are now.
This kind of disorganized withdrawal is not justified - irrespective of whether it's under Trump or Biden.
This is nonsense.
It was Trump who wanted out of Afghanistan in the first place. It was Trump who signed the deal with the Taliban. It was Trump who would have had this happen in May, instead of August.
Couple of tweets from a girl trying to flee. Feel terrible for all the poor citizens who just want to lead a normal life. Really don't know what the solution is for it as a country.
Yes, and in a large part the population increase was due to American investing billions in the infrastructure,,,better hospitals and medical care meant better survival rates , ( especially when it came to infant mortality, which was horrendous.} better roads meant that remote rural areas could access medical care in the city hospitals, plus numerous clinics were established countrywide.
This is a clusterf*ck of gigantic proportions.
Once US withdrawal was announced, this was a direct signal for the Taliban to commence the offence they must have known was, at some point, going to happen.
How the US have catastrophically failed to organize an orderly exit from Afghanistan is beyond me - and this is true whether you are in favour or against US presence in the country. Biden's haphazard approach, and ignoring his own military advisors, only adds to this ridiculous state of affairs.
This kind of event also serves to embolden Trump - and, if anything, makes Trump appear more organized and sensible. Which is quite something, when you think about it.
All commercial flights now suspended to/from Kabul. US troops trying to restore order at the airport according to the media. Military flights continuing however.
There are still military and other repatriation flights.
Remember a lot of people face retaliation and naturally want to get out.
Wonder what he will have to say if he is still there next week???
If they're so hated why are the Afghans rolling over for less than 100,000 people?
There is extremely little resistance to them. Why?
BTW, I never mentioned "popular".
Fair enough. I sit corrected.
Can anyone explain why the airport is being overrun? With no flights, I don't really get it.
Not in some goat farmer's pitiful shack in the middle of Nuri, no, and the same can be said for the majority of the country. Outside of places like Kabul or Khandahar, you really are talking about backwards. Seriously backwards, with a very poorly educated population that wouldn't even have a TV, never mind access to the internet.
Regular internet use was/is mainly restricted to the larger cities. According to some stats, there's less than 5 million with access to the web, out of a population of nearly 40 million.
If they were so popular, why did the Afghan People not elect them during the Loya Jirga, or the 2014 general elections....?? The truth is, even if you can't or won't see it is that they were able to take control from a demoralised ill equipped force, whose heart was more concerned with personal survival than defence of a corrupt government. Once the first town fell, it was all over. Just like isis rolled across Syria and Iraq. But they were not invited, for sure. And in time, unless they have dramatically changed, they will engender the same hatred by the local Afghans that existed last time they took power.
They're already executing these people, reports and graphic pictures on Twitter
I accept that, but surely communications and the Internet must be vastly more influential than a decade or two ago.
Probably a silly question, but why are there so many people wandering around some planes?
they don,t have popular support from most people ,they treat women like slaves, they are kidnapping young women to go into forced marriage eg sex slaves ,they are taking over kabul right now, this is like the fall of saigon at 10x speed , the question is will western staff and diplomats be able to get out without being taken prisoner or killed.i thought the american army could hold em back for a few weeks using bombing from air force planes and rockets from drones , the taliban have only rifles and basic weapons .its incredible the americans did not leave a few 1000 soldiers behind at least in order to allow an organised exit .
the americans spent a trillion dollars but alot of the money went to warlords contractors and political factions, eg many people did not trust government officals , it was not really a democratic government ,it did not have much power or control outside large citys.
God knows what will happen to people who criticised the taliban or stood up for free speech and womens rights in the last 10 years when the taliban has control over the whole country and have acess to government records pcs and database,s .
The US has sent a further 1,000 troops which now brings to 6,000 the number of troops present or on standby.
So yeah, safe to say this is a bloody mess right now.
This isn't New York we're talking about. It's a country that's made up of mostly rural areas and scrub (and no, it's not like Ballyduff either). 75% of the population live outside of a city or town in incredibly backwards situations. They wouldn't know an Apple iPhone from a Granny Smith.
Really beautifull place, and the interior is like a honeycomb with many gallerys....its thought that there are many more hidden chambers deeper inside. Its unknown just how much has been stolen /looted from it unfortunately.
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https://twitter.com/AishaTaIks/status/1427006712737898500
Wtf is that for real? What an absolute bellend if so
They can sell the American drones to some country that wants to clone them or just get information from them.
Big mess not destroying them if they couldn't take them.
Maria, this actual situation happened before,,Country falling to pieces under the Taliban, people in a really bad way. The Denmark Government ( as far as I remember ) sent a representative offering help and assistance. During the meeting with the Taliban leaders, he outlined his proposals for providing help, and all he asked in return was that the Taliban improve their human rights record in regard to women and girls re education, and Sharia Law punishments. The Talibs listened until he had finished, and than asked how he has arrived in Afghanistan, did he fly or arrive by road? When he answered by air, they said " the road to the Airport is that way." And that ended the conversation. Will these Taliban be any different???
Danm holiday plans fecked up for next year unless i grow a beard
That's an advantage, not a loss - at least in the long term.
Afghanistan has one of the youngest populations in the world – with approx. 63 percent of the population (27.5 million Afghans) below 25 years of age and 46 percent (11.7 million children) under 15 years of age according to the National Statistics and Information Authority (NSIA).
Younger populations exposed to technology and so on, are more likely to resent and reject the kind of mindless Islamic fascism being foisted upon them.
Iran, too, has an enormously young population that will emerge more dissenting to the prevailing orthodoxy.
Their population has almost doubled in 20 years, not exactly helping the situation
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