Excellent post.
The fact of the matter is that these people live in the middle ages and are centuries behind the west , they ar not interested in democracy and equal rights and women's rights, not everyone in the world wants democracy and the same values America has, a local peasant in Afghanistan doesn't care about capitalism and louis vuitton bags , loans with interest are forbidden the Quran , they care about serving god the way they're being told is right.
It's time America should start to grasp that reality that not every part in the world is ready or interested in their way of life.
Yes, they made them but who paid for them??? Because whats happening now ( and for some time) and whats yet to come will be squarely on their heads.
And which vodka do you prefer, Stolichnaya, or Russian Standard? I'd be a Russian Standard man myself..😀
It’s really sad to see the savages of the Taliban take over Afghanistan and drag it back again to the 11th Century. I shudder to think of the horrific fate in store for women and girls in particular. 😞😢
Afghanistan is a complete and utter basket case of a country. It is pretty much ungovernable - as has been shown time and time again - and has pretty much zero culture of the rule of law, stability and social and economic progression.
After 20 years,god knows how much money wasted.....the taliban is back in control of a country,which doubled in population in last 20 years
A young population,would have an near indefinite stream of recruits for them vs the US......a war would never been won,and they havnt made the world one iota safer after 20 years,hopefully this is the end of US intervention aboard for this century,having had to effectively admit it being futile to continue to fight on againest a group of tribemen
Meanwhile your sitting in a 20+ ton killing machine and they fled not the Toyota bois
Yes, the TOYOTA jeep / pickup truck. Just add the ISIS / Taliban decal on the bonnet.
The Afghan president is so so weak. He didn't even mount an offensive, he just rolled over like the puppet he is . Afghan needs a leader who rules with an iron fist, once first city was attacked he should have got troops there, the Afghan Forces are the 75th strongest in the world, not bad, not great, but come one, enough to kill some bearded nutjobs, there is not excuse, they have 1/4 of a million soldiers, and their enemy is but a few, what an absolute joke the Afghan President is, you'd have to wonder who's side he's on.
They were there long enough, and did nothing. See the world is too PC, They knew who the Taliban was, they knew 1000 of members, but when the US was there those Taliban fighters for the most part didn't take on the US, and PC USA won't fire on people unless fired on first. Really they should have rounded them all up and killed them. I mean the US didn't mine dropping an atomic bomb on the innocent people of Hiroshima killing a 1/4 of a million civilians for no other reason than to show, '' look what we can do'' BOOM , WAR is over.
But today they just allowed the Taliban to go about their ways for last 20 years, and now that US is gone they are back out in force. They really should go back in there, and just kill the lot of them, armed or unarmed.
Had a friend working over there, he met plenty of smart, hard-working and kind Afghans, and he was working with everyone from farmers to local officials.
These are people who've had neverending war, constant poverty, horrendous childhoods, national PTSD - of course many of them are fucked up. No matter how fucked up the whole thing has been, in the last 20 years, women have become doctors, people have managed to rise out of poverty, universities came back to life, increased literacy, increased child mortality, all the stats and gradual shoots of a country slowly starting to grind it's way out of despair. Nah, all that is pretty much gone now. The Taliban will come in the with the "these are just guidelines" approach, take over and then it'll be straight back to 1996 by next year.
Totally agree - they have zero leader's in both the military and the government ,
It was the same in Iraq when Isis rolled across the border in Hilux jeeps ,the Iraqi had heavy armour , artillery , helicopters and yet they fled rather than actually fight ,
Afghan army will Run Away. In fact they're routed psychologically
A few former colleagues of mine spent time training the Afghan Police attempting to instill some 'Western' policing tactics.
Talk about horrendous. Some of the reports he gave included details of
People need to realize the country is called the graveyard of empires for a reason. It will never be anything but a barren, martial land. Thinking that the convention on human rights applies, or ever applied in the country is delusional.
Leave them at it.
If the Americans had just provided air support for a few months things could be very different. That would have demoralised the Taliban and they would be the ones feeling the fear.
its almost as if the Americans have accepted the Taliban as the new government and are just prepared to deal with them as legitimate.
The Taliban are not some kind super soldiers ,by all accounts handed an ak and rpg and told shoot that way ,
A half decent trained and led military unit could hammer them especially enough ,for most part the Afghans go months without or resupply of vital equipment , while the various commanders pocket the wages ,
I remember when a unit started to kidnap locals because they hadn't been paid ,but they were promised cake for the delay in getting paid and they didn't even get the cake ,
It's like a bad comedy script from dad's army
Yes, fear and lack of support. If they lose a battle they will probably be executed. They would need to be some nutters to fight the Taliban rather than run away. If the Taliban are capable of sustaining this pressure then Kabul will fall soon.
I see the Afghan government has said they are planning to fight back and will stop this war that's been forced on to them,
They better do something quick before were watching them be beheaded in public ,
If 400/500 soldiers made a stand and secured a minor victory it would give the psychological boost the whole Afghan army needs right to to bring the fight to the Taliban ,it seems that's most of the collapse is due to fear more than anything
Have a friend he was US infantry 2 tours afganistan and 1 Iraq he said the taliban fighters where high on heroin in any battles he fought it made them so unpredictable and brazen unlike the Iraqes.
Heroin turns you into a zombie barely with the ability to stand never mind having any kind of tactical prowess on a battlefield .....
RPGs and AK47s russian made for a mass market they also make good vodka bless em
The point is, having experienced Taliban hard line Islamic rule in the past,its the last thing any Afghan wants, and that included the Pashtuns...its for sure not a democratic decision and is being imposed on them at gunpoint. And the question has to be which Country's have being and still are supporting the Taliban with weapons, training, logistics etc. for the last 20 years ???
No social structure can exsist because of tribal groups and its forbidden terrain and weather that can cuts off links for months at a time.
If a hard religious localized rule is what they want why should the west demand who and how they educate or treat different groups.
He got shot in the back but it didnt get through his vest but he is left with pain management for the rest of his life he recounted trying to take down on a 1 in 1 he had to fired many rounds before the zombie like fighter dropped.
We cant make every country a holiday destination think we have failed this one move on.
In a sense it will be worse....no singing, ( unless praising Allah ) definitely no dancing, song birds banned, ( should only be listening to verses from the Quran ) beards ( of a certain minimum length) compulsary for men,and Barbers will be only allowed to trim hair. no shaving. Women banned from wearing of white shoes / socks ( Allah's Colour ) no photography of any living thing allowed ( you are creating another soul ) Black turbanned and cloaked thuga roaming the streets, the Religious Police, but any member of the Taliban, no matter what rank, even an uneducated ( except in the version of the Quran used by the Taliban) foot soldier will have control over any non-Taliban citizen. There's lots of other negative ( and worse ) aspects of Taliban rule, for the Aghans, its a frightening scenario.
Death will be the punishment for many things under the Taliban. They haven't changed one jot, and have already started on their plan of burning schools, libraries and destroying computer labs, replacing them with religious schools. Women are being "told" (forced) to wear the Burqa again, and can't leave the house with a male chaperone. Life for Afghans won't be much different from the horror experienced by Iraqi's and Syrians under ISIS.
If / when the Taliban take charge,any discussion concerning the future of Afghanistan will be a one sided affair., with the Taliban being the only contributers.....in Doha, the world is being presented with the image of the "New Improved Taliban" designed to make them more acceptable...but reports coming from the ground in Afghanistan tells a completely different story,,,,,its business as usual, Taliban style ( old style) and all that entails. Basically stability is all any Afghan rural or city want. But as things stand at moment, the Taliban will not accept anything less than complete control, especially in areas they have captured, be they City's or countryside. Unless there's a reversal of US policy, and they return militarily ( unlikely ) and there is a major pushback against the Taliban, and they are forced into a compromise, they will try for complete control. But make no mistake about it, no Afghan wants the Taliban back in power..they know only too well what they are capable of, unfortunately.
Pity he did not win the tory leadership contest.He's a straigh, highly intelligent and experienced guy, and when it comes to Afghanistan he knows it first hand. Wearing only traditional Afghan clothing, a staff and accompanied by an Afghan mastif, he walked across it solo in 2002, ( Plus Iran, Pakistan, India, Nepal ( Himalayas) . In 2005 he went to Kabul, and lived there for 3 years, founding The Torquoise Mountain, which is devoted to re establishing old Afghan crafts and Arts, and invigorating local craftsmen to keep them alive. He also wrote a book on his travels ( several in fact ) " The Places In between". So he is basing his observations on personal experiences. Well worth reading, and listening to.
Grow up...
Exactly this Dohnjoe, and when the new Islamic State of Afghanistan raises a new terror for the West (never mind the lives of those living there, of course), will a new invasion of the country begin again?
I think not though. The Taliban 2.0 seem keen on muting their hardcore image to foreign media (see recent BBC reports), and might even tame some of their hardline barbarisms. The world will have to deal with this new arrangement. Will Taliban 2.0 become ISIS 2.0, or learn to be an actor on the world stage?
Surely they can see that the newfound stability that they can offer the people of the country relies on prosperity and aid from the outside world, God knows, the people of Afghanistan need that now more than ever.
Followed this since it happened 20 years ago. As misguided as it was, there was a faint glimmer of hope that the country could have had a brighter future, nope, the Bush admin abandoned it to a skeleton crew while they went on their Iraq jaunt. The Taliban regained a foothold, and since then it's only been a question of when the Taliban would retake the country, not if. Very grim for the girls and young women who have grown up without the Taliban, now facing a future of Islamic fundamentalist rule. The world can't intervene and the place will turn into ISIS caliphate 2.0, churning out waves of indoctrinated jihadists and god knows what.
The world will look worse without America leading despite what some people think but it needs to be done. America no longer needs the world, they can sustain themselves, have the most advanced military in the world and are isolated from all the major trouble spots in the world. Their economy is largely domestic. They'll be fine.
We're going to see an increasingly fractured rest of the world but that had to come at some stage anyway. Can Europe survive, I personally doubt it but we will see over the next few decades.
Iraq, yes 100% instability ( Libya another) But Afghanistan? Afghanistan was deliberately kept unstable long before the US arrived, and if anything, they brought peace and security. Had they not been undermined at every turn, Afghanistan would be an entirely different place today. Be interesting to see what all the countrys calling for the removal of the US invaders will do now to help Afghans.....nothing I suspect.
The American Empire is on the verge of collapse. As a vassal state, we should be worried.
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