You can't make a distinction between being disgusted at somebody, or somebodies trying to do something, and being pleased that that weren't successful in doing it??
I was rightly pissed off the night a little toerags who tried to break in, and rob my house. But was really glad they didn't succeed, I actually laughed my ass off at the clowns trying to bypass the security system on the CCTV video.
You should really pay attention before jumping in feet first dudley.
Nope, I just made the point that people were wrong to think the threat at that particular time was from the IRA and it was more nuanced and complex.
I suggest you do your own research otherwise.
I for one have never denied how the IRA financed itself, it was fairly evident how they did it.
You said you had no problem with events, then have a reason why you have a problem with events. If you can’t understand the problem with that statement I can’t do much
It’s free World by the way, most of us in ireland are trying to move away from the hate filled last, I suggest you try as well
Can you guys not read posts properly?
Absolutely no issue with respectful remembrance here either. As long as it is not done to taunt or triumphalise then I think that is where we will end up.
Do you understand the purpose of 'As long as' in that post?
Completely. Chinese new year, Hanuka, all good.
i can read perfectly. Nobody should every include “as long as”. It’s none of my business how any group in ireland wants to have an event, with so many diverse groups why should I dictate to them what they can do. Unless you think you should be able to? Not allow people to celebrate their own history how they want?
I'm sure the KGB, Stasi and paratroop regiment have some decent skins in there too. What's next, 'not all KKK'? 😀
Even the families of the RIC hadn't asked for a state commemoration. That was all Flanagan supported by Varadkar. A pair of twits wishing we'd home rule and were in the commonwealth. I think they lost the run of themselves after commandeering the 1916 rising. Be nice for them to blend all the IRA/Blueshirts and Tans into one nice whitewashed family.
Ok...so anything goes re: commemoration.
I wouldn't agree at all with that approach. But have at it.
As we are on the topic...how do others propose we commemorate going forward?
Should it be 'do as you want, the state has no role in setting guidelines' as dudley79 seems to want or do you think there should be standards to observe?
A 'Commemoration Commission' akin to the Parades Commission, if you like.
Did he not sell a rake of books etc?
You are not the state. The state of course sets guidelines but as per your post you seem to think you also have a set an event has to meet
I fully support Legion of Mary holding the stations of the cross.......standing outside Mosque and synagogues shouting 'sinners!', not so much. That's just me calling for common sense.
Nah.....we'll have no liberials from dublin tell us how/why to commerate our patriot dead....they gave years sending gaurds out to harass people attending commerations around the country.....
we got stopped and questioned for attending an commeration during the summer......ffg were happy to cheerlead commerating black and tans,but were notably absent from many of the smaller 100th commerations this summer
Well we have societal laws and regulations. Once they don't infringe on the rights of others I've no issues with anyone commemorating or celebrating anything. Where Flanagan and Varadkar over stepped was trying to hold a state sanctioned one without conferring with the public on it.
People commemorate the RIC all the time for years. Nobody ever gave a care.
I do, again why do you think you should include “as long as”?
But they didn’t hold the event? The public did confer and it was cancelled.
Hmmm...let me think.
Because it is my 'opinion'?
You gave yours and nobody complained or questioned your right to give it on a discussion forum.
Flanagan and Varadkar announced the event for 19th Jan 2020 without consulting, it then had to be cancelled because of one of the quickest and strongest public reactions I have seen in nearly half a century's interest in politics.
I think the english language isn't your friend here Dudley. They 'cancelled'. Cancelled means they intended to hold it but had to cancel it due to uproar from fellow politicians, the opposition and the public. As with the other comment you're having trouble with, you need understand what you are trying to attack. Nobody claimed they held it. If they did you spamming the thread trying to trip people up might hold weight, but it doesn't.
Exactly. They fully intended to hold it and were forced to cancel it such was the outcry.
Had a lot of impact on FG in the GE the following month.
I think because they had ownership of the 1916 centenary they felt they could push it. It really showed them as separate from the majority of Irish society. Missing the days when only a handful of them had the vote and the rest of us knew our place.
You are complaining about an event that was never held, That’s the first issue you have
Second you claimed the public was not involved but the public said they didn’t want it and it didn’t happen
Now by all means go on complaining but don’t expect the majority of people to see how ridiculous it is.
People had issue with Flanagan and Varadkar organising a state ceremony for the RIC/Tans without discussing it with anyone. The public were told it was happening, after the fact. It was scheduled.
Then FG had to cancel it. I'm not sure what's going over your head here, or are you this desperate to try score a win nobody is interested in?
The public were not consulted. That's why when they found out, it kicked off and FG had to cancel it.
I think your last line is a little voice in your head. Listen to that voice Dudley.
No, I'm complaining about their intention to hold the event.
READ the posts dudley79..properly. Your diversions are wasting everyone's time.
Which people becaus I don’t hear anyone talking about it apart from SF supporters?
You can keep spinning it and making stuff up but at the end of the day the event never went ahead because people didn’t want it.
be careful you dont fall over yourself back tracking there francie , dont worry , utilizing the party's doublethink tactics you can just change events after the fact when it blows up in your faces (pun intended)
T'was your good self that made the fool of themselves. Now if only you had read the posts correctly...
hmmm equating the ric with the kkk now are you ? thats a fair leap , well not for some i suppose. acab and all that .
before you start accusing me of being a ff fg stooge or something i have no time of any of them but by christ they are just a gee hair better than a organised crime gang/cult who pretends they are a legitimate political party who are merrily engaged in ruining the north of this island and will do the same in the south if given a chance
do you ever get tired of going around and around in circles dragging that party line behind you ? i find it such a strange mentality for any one to devote some much time and effort to such a basic mindset
Tbf the ric were worse than the kkk,being dublin castle eyes and ears and setting up neighbours for assination via the black and tans with their info
Fcuk sake,even the royal moniker in ric,was attached to celebrate its success in crushing fenian rebellions
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