I do feel for Waterford in this whole scenario because they were building nicely under Cahill and Bevans. They might give it one more year in Waterford....but maybe not a second.
Fair play to Sheedy for doing it early, gives the new manager, hopefully Cahill time to plan and organize a panel. Wont be contenders next year but hopefully in a couple of years we will have few new stars to replace the golden generation of my life time.
Huge change coming. including the overlap between Michael Ryan, Liam Sheedy, Eamon O Shea and Tommy Dunne and Declan Ryan, that's 13 years of management.
If they are all gone it will be a complete new broom.
Since 2008
Kilkenny have 6 Tipp 3 Lim 2 Galway 1, Clare 1
Big task ahead for the new man. We have been second best to several teams in recent times so a change was overdue.
as a Waterford man all I can say is fcuk off and leave Cahill alone!!
No seriously, I expect him to return to Tipp.. wouldn't hold it against him a bit. He'll do wonders for you and to think how intimately he knows the strengths and weakness of your next generation who have already put it all on the line for him at underage with those epic wins as underdogs.
Sheedy leaves with a mixed review, won an all Ireland first year but last 2 years have been wipeouts
sheedy leaving in 2010 was a disaster, that was sheedys time. If he had stayed I have no doubt the three won since 2010 would read 6 if not 7
now is Cahills time, he will have his work cut out but regardless it’s his time
Sheedys gone!
no great surprise. Can leave with his head held high.
wonder will Cahill be back. The king is dead, long live the king!
Brendan did it all with Tipp. So cool in possession, good eye for a score and an inspirational catch. He had a glittering career, from underage to senior, definitely an absolute legend of Tipperary hurling.
As a kilkenny man I always thought tipp were weakened considerably without Brendan or Bonner
Brendan never seemed under pressure and always did the right thing with the ball.
What an absolute fantastic and classy player for Tipp over the last ten years, always looked in control and a really calming influence for the players around him. To me he has been our most valuable player over this period
Fair play on a great intercounty career
A well deserved retirement, he's been there and done that. I'd say there will be atleast another few will call it a day over the next few days, a lot of the main stays have been playing intercounty since 2009!
Brendan Maher announced retirement. Great servant to Tipp hurling over the years. Couldn’t really ask any more from him.
Him coming back from a potential career ending injury to win an all Ireland in 2019 was a fantastic story.
We got probably the slightly better refereeing decisions in the first half, I will say that, but show me where Waterford were not awarded multiple decisions in the 2nd half and I will concede. We didnt lay a hand on them and that was half our problem. You can't win frees when youre not fouled.
Nobody would argue the ghost goal was a good decision but it had no bearing on the final championship for either team. After that draw, Waterford had 2 chances to win matches that they would have had to win only 1 of anyway to progress and they didnt. Both were in no form to win anything in 2018. The examples I gave were from Munster finals, All Ireland Quarter finals, All Ireland Semi Finals, League Finals and All Ireland Finals not round 2 of round robin Munster where both teams finished 4th and 5th. We could list every bad decision and god knows there are a lot, but a notable few occur in big games at big times and we have taken more than our fare share against us.
On a general note; I dont know what people expect Cahill to get out of Waterford? He has gotten about as much as he could. I dont think his stock has fallen at all and I can see him doing a fine job with this Tipp team.
Waterfords camp was in a bad bad way after 2019 and the click that Derek McGrath created did them no favours. It basically cost Paraic Fanning his job before he ever set foot in inside the door. Players seeing themselves as undroppable. Attitude all wrong. This is a team that has not won a Munster championship since 2010. They were 5th in Munster in 2018 and 5th in 2019. They have taken some really heavy beatings at the hands of ourselves, Limerick and Cork over the last 10 years, even the last 4 years. He has steadied the ship, tempered the egos and restored pride to them. Theya re also playing a much better brand of hurling. A Munster final, All Ireland final and All Ireland semi final over 2 seasons is a great achievement with that teams ability and the injuries and other missing players they have had. i think he is still by far and away the best option for the Tipp role.
I disagree. The blahs had some very poor wides. Could have been closer , Still thought Limerick were the better team though
I will say Liam Cahill was very honest in his interview after, unlike Sheddy interview after Waterford game. Sheedy was so dishonest it was sad to see it.
but Sheedys behaviour on the sideline all year was strange, the Limerick game him and O’Shea were Davy Fitzgerald like, at half time I was laughing at their behaviour.
Don’t think his stock improved after yesterday, his team went out and tried to batter a limerick team for twenty mins ( a futile ,energy wasting exercise against limerick of all teams) . When they hit the sidelines with ball and made it one on one they got joy and made some limerick backs look ordinary enough
Cahill says he is available
I think he deserves his shot but I would also would not have been averse to sheedy staying on if he had not been so conservative this year.
no matter how you cook it, if you acknowledge Limerick are above everyone and have at least 5 years of complete domination ahead , and what tipp have available to work with is not going to match that, then what is the best 5 year plan for tipp hurling?
I personally think tipp need to select a manager for a 5 year period and I personally think Cahill is the man but regardless of who it is , sheedy, dunne, Egan give them a 5 year term.
3 years won’t be enough to transition our panel.
Billy McCarthy has been a huge loss to Tipp. A player who looked to have everything we needed in the forward line, strong, ball winning with speed and directness.
Similarly Ger Browne in his cameos in 2019 looked to offer exceptional speed and directness from midfield, again a trait we often lack.
Reading the Examiner today and when you look at the raw numbers; Callinan making his debut in 2008, Paidi and Brendan 2009, Noel I can't remember but I think it was 2009, Bonner too. I think you'll trawl a lot of counties to find players that long at the highest level, they're absolute superstars of the game.
In their time with Tipp first Kilkenny were the biggest dragons to slay, and we got there; now the dynamic has shifted, Galway had their spell as the team to beat but Limerick are bringing it to a whole new level.
On a related note, the skill level in hurling has exploded in the last few years. Watching Cork and Limerick in the U20 the scoring was unreal, the quality of the ball striking right through. Players shooting points off either side from 70 yards out on either wing. While Tipp were poor in the minor against Waterford again overall in that game the ball striking and scoring was unreal. It's quite funny the contrast with football, where players look afraid to kick for points from 35 yards, nowadays in hurling scoring from all sorts of distances is the norm.
I believe we have the players, current and future to be at the top again, the big job is with the county board to ensure we have the best team possible to make it happen. Remember losing the strength and conditioning coach after 2016? The right team to maximise our resources is vital, that's the challenge for the county board.
You're right. Hopefully, Tynan will turn out to be a Dessie Hutchinson type. A tall order, but he has the speed, anyway. And maybe the Billy McCarthy investment might work out too and he can get back to play for Tipp again, another direct runner.
I think we'll see more of Alan Tynan next year, he's got pace, strength and is very direct. This year was probably too early but we'll have some club games coming up to see how far he's improved.
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We all want tipp to win.
we all have different ideas about tipp hurling and that’s the fun of it
tipp lost Saturday, we are all pissed off
strange how we ended up removing Morris from the game when a carbon copy on the waterford side in Prendergast had such an impact on their game running from deep, Jake left to flounder inside with Seamie when he would revel in that role, Noel is a legend and a magician but if u can't defend against the runner or threaten going the other way by going past your man then it's hard to justify why u would play a deep role in the middle 3rd v waterford...or limerick for that matter (who would have been the team to beat in a potential final), pinging balls 90 yards to tightly marked forwards turning into a sweeper was a terrible percentage ball as well as being predictable, we had a spoiler in Alan Flynn on the ball way too often in the middle 3rd when we actually won possession then. Interesting input from Ken hogan on Dalo podcast, First team being beaten by the B team in training, Mark kehoe fired his hurley into the ground after the final whistle, I can imagine his frustration having the form, pace & skills to take on Waterford backs and only getting 20 mins to do it..
I'm glad you enjoyed Tipp being knocked out so you could be right about what exactly? That I was wrong?
I posted on team selection and tactics in the lead up to Waterford game multiple times. But sure why let that get in the way of wanting to believe your right!
Well, the negativity wins again. At least I have other sites and forums where my knowledge is welcomed. You'll be glad to know I'll stick to them.
Best of luck with "supporting" Tipperary. There's a few of you here that really seem to enjoy it and are really knowledgeable 🤣 🤣
Looks like you’re wrong again. Sheedy and the team were gonna lick their wounds and come back with a plan for Waterford supposedly!
for all you confrontational posts, you hadn’t any suggestions regarding what sheedy could do differently or going into the Waterford game.
whether anyone likes it or not there’s a few great players who are well past their prime and need replacing.I wouldn’t write off the current management. They’ve delivered on multiple occasions. Though you’d wonder would they have the appetite for what appears a bit of a rebuild.
bizarrely enough it was a game we could’ve won despite being second best. The cats have come back from a right hammering against us in 2019 to become second favourites this year.
biggest concern is the lack of some of the new players stepping up. Have we any ‘star men’ coming through since Jason forde?
cant really see Cahill returning after being basically jilted at the alter a few years ago. Though I can’t imagine there’s many potential managers with more knowledge of the potential players.
On our day we’d put it up to most sides bar limerick.
Priceless comments on a game where Tipp got 12 frees to Waterfords 2- the penalty being the only free Waterford got in the Tipp half in 75 minutes of play. And while we're talking about never getting a decision off a ref you seem to have forgotten the Ghost goal but then again that doesn't suit the narrative you're trying to painy
You warn me for this!
And yet like a post that contains this: "Childish bombasity at its finest. The arrogance off this post is simply astounding."
Is that enaging with a post? Is that attacking the poster? Is that using evidence and discussion?
The double standards are off the charts.
And if you actually engaged with the thread and appeared sooner none of this would have developed.
You also warned me for asking a straight forward question. I asked someone if they followed the club scene - some people just follow inter county - a straightforward question, and I'm warned for that.
All knowing, is it?
The AMAZING FIRST question you've asked there. And yet it's been answered about ten times in the past few days alone. Head stuck in the sand.
And Still no evidence of player's performing, of ignored performances. Just negativity.
Using math that doesn't add up - they have players why don't we have players - without understanding the different life cycle of each squad. And no evidence again.
The negativity of the last statement.
Actually, you've made no points that have any evidence to back up anything. It all adds up to whinging about losing.
Imagine supporting a game that you've no knowledge about. Crazy bit of stuff.
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How are the Tipp players on the panel who won underage in 18 & 19, not ready??? And yet the Cork starting line-up, who we beat in both finals are dotted with underage players? Would our first 15 have beaten Cork this year??? I honestly don't think we were going past the quarters no matter who we got although I would have preferred Cork over Waterford as the Decie appear to have extra physicality
I don't think anyone is predicting doomsday, but I think there is universal agreement that the team needs freshening up and bewilderment by the vast majority of Tipperary supporters and across the hurling world also, that it didn't happen.
Good observations throughout your post though that I wouldn't disagree with at all. Next year I think we'll be very similar to Kilkenny were in 2017 and having to blood many players at once. it could be messy for a bit, but we will have to stick with it.
Yes arguably we could have won Saturday, but as someone on this topic conveniently shapeshifted last week on another topic ''if my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle''. No point focusing on what could have happened. Would we have deserved it?? I don't think so. I would have taken it gladly as I did when we beat Wexford in 19 having been the better team for 20 mins of the game and second fiddle for the other 50 (we were shafted by some awful officiating that day)
Well said
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