Levitt, Montagnier, Gupta - familiar names in these conspiracy threads.
Take Montagnier for example, look up his wiki, he has taken up a belief in homeopathy and has been heavily criticized by his peers.
Whatever you believe in, whether it's Holocaust denial, Covid conspiracies, 9/11, whatever, you will always find individual professionals or experts who will validate that view, no matter how extreme. That's because there are millions of experts in the world, and not all of them are immune to irrational or fringe beliefs. I know someone with a PhD in economics who believes in astrology, likewise I know another expert who believes in ghosts.
The issue is that conspiracy theorists and fringe thinkers latch onto these people like they are the final word on the subject. They aren't. In most cases these experts are fringe thinkers themselves, and are contradicted by the consensus of experts in their field. Every time one of these names is mentioned here, I look them up, and hey presto, they are embroiled in controversy for having bizarre or absurd views
Source: Wikipedia. Sources of Wikipedia: internet Articles. 😂 Here's another graduated at the University of Facebook (cum laude)
Wikipedia is not a source itself, it's an amalgamation of sources, which can be looked up and referenced.
Let's have a look at the source you quoted - https://www.lifesitenews.com/
Looks like yet another garbage-tier Covid scaremongering blog
So let's check it
Aaand it is. It's considered an extreme source.
Looking deeper, it's a far-right anti-abortion site. You're in here lecturing about sources, and that's your source.
Disagree? fine, please refute the below then
😂
The Amalgamation-Of-Sources- University 😂 Really, guys, if this is the people who is law-abiding now...what a wonderful world 😂
He put a lot of of effort into that post above, is a few emojis and bad grammar really all you can come up with in response? Why do you think you're in any position to have a valid opinion on this? You can't even be arsed to educate yourself.
that's the third one. He put a lot of effort? I know, to graduate at the University of Wikipedia you have to invest at least in a good mouse for copy and paste 😂😂 Guys, you are making our day
So I guess that's a no then? If you used proper grammar people might take you more seriously, but probably not.
I am an ignorant person. Please teach me everything you know about Facebook. How to cite Wikipedia to confute a Nobel prize. How I can I have the Military-Green Pass for a Pint and, most of all, how I can save lives here on Internet...please, your grammar is essential
Sticking your fingers in your ears and going “na na na na” doesn’t make you right. It seems to be all you have because you are not countering any points made against your posts.
Actually I use Irish everyday but I'm not fluent in it.
Nor would I recognise someone's nationality by their posts but I do recognise their bullsh*t when I see it.
Why would I be obligated to answer some of your really dumb questions like ´why are you doing something that doctors say you shouldnt do´? People do stuff against doctors advice all the time. I am not obligated to answer your silly questions.
No, microchips is not a valid theory. It is literally impossible for there to be a microchip in the vaccine. We know what the things look like they use to put microchips in cats and dogs, they are way bigger.
It's a 15 page thread here, so it's "valid" to some people.
Does it stand up to any level of scrutiny? No. But then again 99% of the stuff on this forum doesn't.
Just looking at that Lifesitenews article you linked, and here are some observations:
The main article is dated May 19, 2021, and it says
French virologist and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier called mass vaccination against the coronavirus during the pandemic “unthinkable” and a historical blunder that is “creating the variants” and leading to deaths from the disease.
The article then goes on to explain Montagnier's thinking, and justifying this viewpoint. However, a week later Lifesitenews added, at the beginning of that same article ...
Note to readers, added May 27, 2021: While LifeSiteNews has only reported what Montagnier has said, other scientists have rejected, in the strongest terms, his thesis that vaccines are causing dangerous variants. Former Pfizer vice president Dr. Michael Yeadon has said, “There is no evidence at all that vaccination is leading or will lead to ‘dangerous variants,’” . . . . . Others have also highlighted there is “no proof” for these theories, referring to them as “nonsense,”
So @Liam32123 the article you linked to as justification for your viewpoint, calls the notion nonsense that 'vaccines cause variants'. What have you got to say to that? Aren't you being mislead by shoddy articles that are not objective, and which are simply pushing a conspiracy agenda that doesn't hold water?
Well for one you're not accurately representing the question I'm asking.
I didn't ask why you are not following the advice of doctors. I asked why you believe doctors are wrong. I asked why doctors would be giving false information.
You haven't answered this question.
It's relevant because it's kind of central to your rather silly stance.
If you believe that doctors are all wrong, then you either believe that all doctors are stupid and somehow you've figured out something they haven't despite you having no training. Or you believe all doctors are part of a conspiracy. Both of these options are equally as silly and as valid as the claim about microchips in vaccines.
There could be another option, but I can't think of one. So I asked you. You don't seem to be able to think of one either.
Alternatively, you could be arguing that doctors aren't wrong, and that you are just purposefully ignoring their correct advice while claiming false stuff yourself. At that point then the question of why you are doing that is relevant.
So you could answer the question now and clarify your position and address this pretty big flaw in your beliefs. But as you point out you don't have to answer. You're free to ignore.
In that case people are free to conclude your position can't account for this issue and is ultimately flawed, contradictory, dishonest and very silly.
"Former Pfizer vice president" Dr. Michael Yeadon....what a believable source of truth 😂😂!!! (and the other scientists...c'mon...not even mentioning the names, probably they were the butchers of Stoneybatter!!!) Montaigner said it and confirmed it, and he is a Nobel Prize...after all that is a law of nature
(I am aware that if now you make a google research on Montaigner basely you will find only debunking-low profile-articles...read Orwell and make an idea of it all)
Variants are caused by mass vaccination. You are part of the problem, not of the solution.
The University of Facebook
OK. So explain to us facebookers why you believe what Montaigner says.
How do you know what he says is true?
What evidence does he present or does he just claim thigs using his own authority?
What specifically did you do to verify his claims?
Please walk us through your process as we are as bright as you.
He is a Nobel Prize, and I trust the Science
Like I know that the lockdown that you facebookers loved so much will eventually cause many deaths for undiagnosed cancer: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext . I trust the Science
See the problems that all you are creating?
Do you trust the Nobel prize winning scientists who say lockdowns work and everyone should get vaccinated?
Name them. If they are not in conflict of interests I can consider them like Montaigner and Michael Levitt, why not
Well no he's not a prize. He's a person who won a prize.
Is that the only reason you believe him?
And what science are you referring to? Could you post the studies you have read to confirm your claims?
Oh and look we're moving from "vaccines are bad" to the "lockdowns are bad" stage again.
Listen, the fact that you are showing zero arguments it does not mean that I have to answer you until 4am tonight. You lost, admit it and go to sleep.
So:
1. That lockdowns increase deaths for undiagnosed cancer I trust these 8 Emerit Scientists and LANCET. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext You trust RTE
2. That PCR test gives false positives in the 97 % of the cases I trust the UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD and these other 7 Scientists: https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/11/e921/5912603
Also here similar findings were reached(American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation) https://journals.lww.com/ajpmr/Fulltext/2020/07000/Interpreting_the_COVID_19_Test_Results__A_Guide.6.aspx
Also on the basis of this study, the 97 % of false positive was confirmed by the Court of Appeal of Lisbon: https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2020-11-27/covid-pcr-test-reliability-doubtful-portugal-judges/56962
You trust Wikipedia.
3. That Montaigner- Nobel Prize- is right in relation to the variants generated by mass vaccination, I have colleagues at the University that confirmed me so many times. The latter, a Professor of Microbiology of a Uk University. Also, if you really want to have another source, this was also admitted in the Italian National tv by two doctors advising the Italian Government in two different occasions(I understand Italian, if you do it too I can send you the link)
Your source is Facebook
Good Night
Sorry you are avoiding my questions and points and you are now desperately trying to deflect.
I didn't ask about "undiagnosed cancer" or "false PCR" tests. I'm asking you about your claims that vaccines cause variants.
Can you please show the studies you've read that conclude this? Claims that you saw it on italian TV aren't very convincing.
Neither are your claims that you've talked to university professors. As I said I talked to 20 professors and they all told me that you're talking nonsense.
I've also asked you to explain why you believe a guy like Montaigner. You can't seem to answer that beyond your belief that since he has a Nobel prize he is infallible.
It's also really funny and cute that you keep referring to these guys as "Nobel Prizes" themselves. It's like you don't actually know what a Nobel Prize is.
"I didn't ask about "undiagnosed cancer" or "false PCR" tests" !!!! They are the foundations of any of your behaviours in the last year!!!!!
You lost my Facebook Graduate
And, btw, Ok, this is Dr. Ricciardi, i.e. the Italian advisor of the CTS (analogue to NPHNET, i.e. more or less like Tony Holonan here), PLAINLY ADMITTING, to his regret, on National TV, that Delta Variant are caused by Vaccines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZCfLNpkFww
(go to minute 2:49)
(ask somebody for a translation and do not pester anymore please, Night, Night )
You aren't listening to anyone here, just blindly dismissing and scoffing at everyone and everything. For example, you didn't address a single point I made, just launched into childish incredulity and smiley faces.
Even the blog you posted acknowledges that Montaigner's views are rejected by other scientists. He's a highly controversial figure, and just because someone won a nobel prize doesn't make their views infallible.
it takes seconds to look up a straightforward Reuters fact-check of this information
C'mon..again mentioning a debunker? And, moreover, that says "No evidence"; hence that does not even say that it cannot be true. The article is neutral
Moreover, look at this: (minute 2.49)
Translation
Host: ->(speaking of Delta Variant): Where do variants come from, as their genesis?
Dr. Ricciardi, advisor of Italian Goverment and International Professor and Virologist (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Ricciardi) :
->"Variants derive from the fact that the virus finds a vaccinated subject and therefore it somehow resists and try to identify the roads to get around the vaccination"
Now challenge also this Emerit Professor (who is also part of the system) ! Good Night
Yes. I'm trying to get you to focus on your original claim. But you seem to be desperate to avoid this and deflect to new topics.
If we followed you to your new topics, you'll do the same when you start losing there also. It's a typical conspiracy theorist tactic. It's dishonest and transparent, but you guys keep thinking it works for some reason.
So again, please show the published scientific studies that conclude that vaccines cause variants.
That's the only thing I'm going to accept. Not youtube videos. Not twitter threads. Not your fantasy claims about talking to professors that don't exist.
Just post the studies.
YOU LOST, MAN. YOU ARE DESPERATE AND YOU WILL CONTINUE WRITING UNTIL 5 AM. NIGHT
Lol Yup. Caps lock is the domain of rational people who are winning the debate alright.
Please post the studies in your next post.
If you don't, you are agreeing and admiting that you don't have those studies. Alternatively you could just be honest and admit this directly.
"Okay great. So in that case, I will not take the vaccination until we can completely get back to normal here in Ireland if we take a vaccine."
Is your name Joseph Heller by any chance?
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