And isn't it fantastic kids (not just from west belfast) but all over N Ireland can get together and sing it with not a care in the world?
Meanwhile the 12th weekend, we will say no more
"I don't care whether it's Protestant or Catholic, I care about the fact that innocent people are being harmed," she told Vox. "That's what provoked me to write the song.
"It was nothing to do with writing a song about it because I'm Irish. You know, I never thought I'd write something like this in a million years. I used to think I'd get into trouble."
Instead, the song became an anthem for innocents trapped by other people's violence.
In the 1990s, O'Riordan would regularly dedicate it to the citizens of Bosnia and Rwanda; and her message applies equally to recent attacks in Manchester, Paris and Egypt, to name just three.
"It doesn't name terrorist groups or organisations," she told the NME in 1994. "It doesn't take sides. It's a very human song.
THIS ^ is why it is heartening to see the young singing this song. It is anti war/conflict.
You will be asked to provide ‘backup’ for that .
Better give Connolly House a bell and get the recorded records of all these events.
I’ve no doubt they will be extensive and far reaching.🙄
The song was written because the PIRA with yeh help of Sinn Fein blew up two kids
Quit with the Sinn Fein rubbish spin, it’s an insult to the woman who wrote it. disgraceful carry on as usual from SinnFein and supporters.
As usual your post is full of hate for unionist, the opposite of what the song wants
It was written as a criticism of how innocent people, particularly children, suffer in conflicts.
Have you watched the original official video that went with the song (which by the way, was banned by the BBC (something about it may be taken as an anti Iraq War song) and RTE, seemingly because of the violence in it). If it was all about IRA violence, I'm surprised that both the BBC & RTE were not rushing to show it. The censorship was lifted after the Iraq War. Something similar happened in the US because of the Iraq War. By the way, it was filmed in Belfast under a pretext that they were making a documentary about peacekeeping efforts in Ireland.
Anyway, wasn't it great to see those kids having a great time singing and dancing to that tune in Belfast Feile. I'd say Delores would be thrilled, as should everyone.
They'll ignore all this and insist it is ONLY about the IRA, when it is about the IRA and anyone who uses violence.
And what is ineffably worse and sad is that they think it is a bad thing the young are singing it in Belfast.
Appalling really that these people seem happier if the young are performing to their stereotypes and tropes.
So she was talking about Fine Gael supporters anytime the rest of us try discuss a UI or any current politics?
Isn't trying to link what some people did or didn't do last century, pre GFA to today because your team got caught out once again, exactly what she described?
Old enough to remember when it came out . More of a Nirvana fan myself so never paid it too much attention. I remembered she was critical of the IRA.
Sorry no idea what you are talking about? Was it meant for me?
She was. She moved to Canada because of a threat of being kidnapped by the IRA when a lot of people were being threatened with kidnapping or being kidnapped (O'Grady, Dunne, McGuinness).
If that song was specifically about the Warrington Bombing, Tim Parry's father would have known about it at the time (and not just find out recently what the connection is) and the video would have featured some footage of the Warrington bombing.
But particularly, Delores would not have been invited to sing by the Nobel Peace Prize Committee for John Hume & David Trimble's Prize Giving. Its kind of disgusting how some are trying to manipulate the real message of the song for some political 'gain'/SF bashing when it is doing so much good.
Yes the lyric fit more with FG supporters and the anti-Irish than anyone in Sinn Fein IMO. Not calling you FG, just giving my opinion on your comment.
To be clear I don't think all Unionists are as hateful and anti Irish as some of those claiming to be all for a UI, but not Irish culture, language and maybe if we join the commonwealth :)
Banging on about the troubles because Varadkar found himself in bother again or hurting because SF did well in the election. Might as well have a Fine Gael thread and fill it with posts about Collins butchering people and the racists/antisemites in the FG of that period and later. Not really 'current affairs'.
Also her meeting her soon to be Canadian husband while on tour in the US with Duran Duran had nothing to do with it?
The lyrics are dated, especially since the GFA. The IRA signed the GFA by the way. Kinda **** on the use of the song lyrics in 2021 :)
I think it's in some folks heeeaaad.....
How many left Ireland because they wanted a job, to be able to afford a family and a place to live over the generations?
We could all do a circular tit for tat on burning people out of their houses, but I can't see a link to Irish politics in 2021 including Sinn Fein.
She said it was influenced by the Warrington bomb in interviews at the time. She was very critical of them in the NME interview Francie quoted. Said they should of fought man to man and not plant bombs where ordinary women and kids can be killed, they might think they are getting a point across but to her they were pathetic.
While the song is ambiguous , she wrote it from that perspective.
Wouldn't agree with Francie that it can only be seen as an anti war / conflict song. Fair enough if not aware of the background .
Could a post be any more self serving?
You are completely trashing the artist here to get a political point scored for your side.
Not to mention the young people singing it with confidence and no small amount of hope.
Remind me who took this event and try to score political points Francie?
No amount of SF spin will change that but it is funny to watch it in action
If you missed it, the whole reason this discussion is ongoing was because a SF TD make a faux paux
The desperation to link this to FG and Leo is hillarious
All he did was underscore the positivity by quoting Sands prediction...it was you and others who had the huff about it,
Where was I critical of either the kids or SF on this?
She was critical of the IRA in both the Vox and NME interviews . She said the 'it's not me' was a reference to the IRA. That they didn't represent her in the VOX one and called them pathetic in NME.
Google Dolores O Riordan Zombie NME 94.
There is a pdf of the magazine. Don't know how to link it. Same website has the VOX one.
We know she was critical of the IRA and we know the genesis of the song was Warrington but she was also critical of all perpetrators of violence and the toll it took on innocents.
Again:
You disgrace her by claiming she was writing only about one organisation and was taking a side.
SInn Fein using a song which was against violence, Sf and the PIRA trying to use for their own propaganda. As I said at the time will they apologise, seemingly not based on the spin here.
Spouting about Sands just confirms how desperate you are
Take it you haven't read either so.
The song doesn't name either but she herself said she was referring to the IRA in both interviews. You only quoted a section of it.
How is is trashing her when it's want she said at the time?
Sinn Fein are anti violence and PIRA are gone as a violent threat.
Did you miss the last 25 years or is it you that is stick in the past afraid to move on or allow thesee young people move on? I ask because it suits some to hang stigma's over people's heads to their own sinister ends.
Gas, you don't know what you are reading.
How can you reconcile that with what she says here:
And what you have quoted?
I'll tell you how, she was thinking about the RA when she wrote a song intended to criticise all violence against the innocent.
Really? the “up da Ra” shouts at last election.The potential TD driving around playing rebel songs on the border. The list goes on. Give us a break Francie….
There isn't a digital version online to cut and paste from. The magazines are pictures in pdfs put on a fansite.
Google "Dolores O Riordan Zombie nme 94" and " eires and graces vox".
So when we comemorate/celebrate the past as a nation are we 'supporting violence?
If we sing 1916 ballads for instance?
You are all over the shop here dudley TBH.
Could you answer a question for once?
How can you reconcile what she says here:
Are any celebrating songs from 1916 not allowed now?
Yes or no question?
Have you laugh.....lads demented demanding people be reminded of sinn feins past
Sinn fein members remind people of sinn fein past
Result: people whom wanted to remind of the past lose their shít......you really couldnt make it up....only in ireland would this,jibberish, pass as political discourse🤣🤣
Always thought it was a rubbish song by a fairly crap band to be honest. Sixth class lyrics too.
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