Ireland only had one state pathologist at the time, its not unusual that it might have taken him a considerable amount of time to get to the body. He has a life two ya know & he was over a 7 hour drive from the capital to cork not including the fact there would have been alot of xmas traffic. There was a lot to be gained from moving the body under the state pathologists request to cork hospital, just like there was a lot to be gained by holding onto the gate, just like there was by preserving the scene, just like so many other things they didnt do.
You keep going on about conspirators here but the only true conspirators are the ones who tried to falsely implicate & convict a man of crime its obvious he didnt too.
Well, they had such tunnel vision in their investigation that he did do it, they were willing to go any lengths necessary to try and implicate him, even if that meant going to down the illegal route, gas since they are meant to uphold the law.
Pull the other one. The state pathologist was unable to get to the scene quickly enough, 7 hour drive and asked the body to be moved to Cork hospital so as to preserve its condition. This was refused and this was actually mentioned in a number of the documentaries as being a highly unusual move. Usually you follow the advice of the expert. Not some local superindendent making it up as he goes along or otherwise considering he probably had never dealt with a murder in his entire career down there. The so called senior gard from Dublin is not in a position to give his opinion as to the reason why, he is only speculating. Its not obvious, the body was clearly not moved or staged as it was at the bottom of a shared driveway & she was battered to death. Its clear as day to anyone with an ounce of cop that the body was not moved so it was completely unnecessary to leave the body there 24 hours.
It was also unusual for the state pathologist to take two days to get to the scene of a murder that was discovered so soon after the crime. The reason the gardai who wanted the body moved gave was because it was distressing for the family and undignified for the body to lay there so long. There was nothing to be gained by moving it but, as the local gardai seemed to have felt, vital information could potentially have been lost if the body was not seen in situ and the scene of the crime examined by the pathologist. If the pathologist had been there in 5-7 hours, what were the conspirators going to do, plant a grenade?
3) They were trying to record Bailey, it would prove a much more vital piece of evidence than a statement from an ex con who because they were bribing him with drugs & money, had an obvious incentive to lie.
But if he didn't do it, what were they going to record?
Read it again, I said the gardai would be justified in thinking portions of the garda file, or the whole thing itself, might be leaked once IB got hold of it. The leaking of the DPP report demonstrates this.
It's the function of GSOC to investigate this and recommend disciplinary action or dismissal, there was none recommended. It seems like they reasoned that the timing was wrong since most of the irregularities happened after the DPP shelved the case and also items that were lost would have helped rather than hindered their case. The claim that there might have been an attempt to pervert the course of justice was tested before a jury and it was rejected.
No MoonUnit, that's backpedalling. You even used the word "justified"
What you wrote was a clear attempt to justify what was a sinister, inexplicable act. Not only is there no possible innocent explanation for this, it is a breach of Garda policy and procedure, an act of gross misconduct, liable to instant dismissal and could be construed as an attempt to pervert the course of justice.
You tried to provide a "possible explanation" which was an attempt to spin it as well a intentioned, benign, even virtuous act. It was nothing of the sort.
Many things, however unlikely, improbable, implausible or downright absurd are, theoretically possible.
It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks......a possible explanation is that it's an EMU with an amazing ability to impersonate other avian species.
Bloody Hell. Disgusting vile character. And that was going on under the guards noses but the intel had to come from London.
1) Pull the other one. The state pathologist was unable to get to the scene quickly enough, 7 hour drive and asked the body to be moved to Cork hospital so as to preserve its condition. This was refused and this was actually mentioned in a number of the documentaries as being a highly unusual move. Usually you follow the advice of the expert. Not some local superindendent making it up as he goes along or otherwise considering he probably had never dealt with a murder in his entire career down there. The so called senior gard from Dublin is not in a position to give his opinion as to the reason why, he is only speculating. Its not obvious, the body was clearly not moved or staged as it was at the bottom of a shared driveway & she was battered to death. Its clear as day to anyone with an ounce of cop that the body was not moved so it was completely unnecessary to leave the body there 24 hours.
2) For someone that needs something official or reliable to back up the sightings of various ford fiesta's, you have no problem in producing multiple flawed arguments without foundation to point to Baileys guilt considering the DPP's report has contradicted the vast majority of those claims.
4) You must be taking the piss now. Even the GSOC report which you mention frequently reported that it had grave concerns about the removal & disposal of vital pieces of evidence in this case. Are you going against that now??
not seeing any arsenal fan. Is this Jules ex who was prosecuted for porn?
Well that Twitter conversation has taken a pretty sinister turn.
Not going to post all that he's hinting at here but it's the Arsenal fan replying down thread to Bailey's latest tweet if you want to look it up for yourself. He's had a long back and forth with some anti Bailey people and claims to have local knowledge. He's given the name of Jules ex husband as Christopher Charles Doe aka Christopher Thomas, claims this man was working in Schull on the night of the murder. He's not claiming he is the killer as far as I know, but that his later conviction is related to it.
An elderly man, who often socialised with Bailey and Jules? He wouldn't have been elderly then. Bailey was around 40 when Sophie died. The man must have been older if he is now elderly as Bailey at 64 is not considered elderly? Can't be that many
Indeed.
Today's Daily Mirror.
There seems to be passing mention of him in episode 7 of the West Cork podcast.
This is utterly without foundation.
This kind of content is included in books of evidence all the time, and handled by the DPP and defence solicitors under disclosure. The DPP has concluded their investigation and parked the case. Why would the book of evidence somehow now be at risk, considering it contains sensitive information about the case (regardless of these 'edits') full stop aside from anything operational or relating to informants.
This is the same Gardai who tracked down Marie Farrell despite her phoning the confidential line and not wanting her name to be public?
We're now expected to believe they think there might be 'repercussions' years later for some other witnesses? Pull the other one.
I'll remind you some of the missing pages include:
A total of 139 original statements are missing from witnesses and include original memos of interviews with Jules Thomas and Marie Farrell...
It wasn't a justification, it was a possible explanation.
No, there is no justification for deliberately destroying written records of an ongoing investigation
None.
The poster refers to the information as being relevant. Something like: '... it wasn't mentioned in either documentary but look up Jules first husband and see what they were up to..'
Probably nonsense as most things on twitter, but just wondering if there's anything to it.
In one of her statements I think she indicated that he assaulted her too. She said something about feeling the force of his boots. The photo of her after one of Bailey`s assaults is pretty horrific. One can only imagine the fear her daughters must have had of him. I think Sheridan`s book described a male friend coming to stay after she had kicked Bailey out and he slept with a hammer under his pillow.
IB started a claim against the state and his solicitors were looking for the garda file and DPP reports for their case. The DPP report was then 'leaked' to the press while the judge had ruled it inadmissible due to it being composed almost entirely of opinion and conjecture rather than fact. The gardai would probably be justified in thinking sensitive elements of the case would have serious repercussions for people who gave information in good faith if it was made public. They may also have included references to local garda informants or methods of gaining intelligence that would compromise other cases. The chances of these pages containing 'Joe and I are thinking of planting evidence at the scene' or 'Myself and Danny falsified a few statements during our lunch break so are due 1 hour overtime' seems a lot less likely.
know what? are you just being nosey?
On point 4, the torn pages from the job book, your explanation makes no sense for multiple reasons.
Also, even if some of the pages contained 'irrelevent' information, they had been in the book of evidence for years and gone through DPP process. Why remove them now? It makes no sense. Is this standard practice when a case is shelved by the DPP that the book of evidence is 'edited'?
From the Irish Examiner:
GSOC said their concern is further compounded by the fact that the specific pages missing are from the time when Mr Bailey seems to have first been identified as a potential suspect and as such they are potentially very significant.
It was noted during the review of the jobs books by GSOC that there were a number of issues about the actual records which could not be explained.
Forensic scientist Brian Craythorne found several pages had been removed from the Jobs Book, possibly by cutting with scissors. He found that the front fly sheet, the pages numbered 1 to 7 and pages 10 and 11 were missing.
These included the numbering such as Job number 277 jumping to 288 on the next page but there were no apparent missing pages. A number of pages were glued together with nothing in between them, meaning that the page numberings were also out of sequence.
And let's not forget:
The watchdog also said that due to a lack of cooperation for a number of gardaí it was not possible for it to fully establish some of the details pertaining to the arrests of Ian Bailey and Jules Thomas.
Someone on Baileys twitter feed keeps mentioning Jules Thomas's first husband/partner.
Anyone know anything about that?
This inability to selectively quote is a complete pain. But here we go:
ikr? Everyone knows the more you tell people you did it the more innocenter you does become.
If IB was into bondage it would be being cited as more definitive proof he was guilty.
I wondered about this too. She was supposedly a film producer and yet in all the documentaries about her I see only about 5 seconds of audio of her voice. This wasn't in a technology dark age, 1996 was the year films like Michael Collins, Independence Day and Fargo were released. She really seems to be a blank page.
He was also successful, artistic, wealthy, famous and about 20 years older than her.
She once had an affair with a film director in his 60's while married to Daniel, but ended it to go back to him.
She was a very free spirit.
She had managed to get a ticket back to France on the 24th. Just heard it on the West Cork podcast. Listening to it again.
I've often wondered would a person of Sophies profession and means have owned and used a camera or video recorder at this time with records of who she spent time with, where she visited etc
I remember now
His cartoons were about bondage. Seemingly one of the documentaries she made was about bondage.
the scenery was beautifully shot in it but didn't find it engaging or informative (mind you, had listened to all of the WC podcast so knew a lot anyway).. found the Netflix series much better - and more informative
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