Read again what I typed. I asked them all to think of their answer before anyone answered.
it may seem strange to you depending which sector you work in, but the senior team started doing a weekly informal (not work related) zoom during COVID lockdown. We have continued that and whoever is available connects. And yes absolutely we can talk politics or whatever we like.
im afraid I gave them their political descriptions so some may disagree. The ‘republican’ is my closest ally and friend in the organisation and he is absolutely a republican.
I am now surprised by the surprise of some on here. No one in my little sample group was surprised. So the legitimate accusation expressed by some that I should be better informed of my neighbours in the south, works both ways. Clearly most southerners have a skewed idea of how much attention most people in the north give to their politics , etc. So that helps me understand why some think we are as Irish as them.
......It was very clearly untrue, Downcow.
I absolutely did not text 100 people, in fact I didn't text any people. The, 'bridge to sell you' comment at the end should've made the facetious nature of my claim quite obvious. The purpose of which was to point out the limited value of anecdotal data that just happens to support my preconceived notions, presented unevidenced.
Given the nature of professional work environments in NI, I find my scenario about as believable as your own, where not only were six senior managers willing to take up valuable business time on the topic, they were also happy to divulge their political leanings in a professional environment....and one was willing to make a political jibe at your expense too? The company would be out of business in a week with senior management like that.
As I regularly talk current affairs and politics with a lot of my family, friends and ex colleagues in NI, they'd be quite perplexed if I was to ask them who Micheál Martin was; they'd think it quite bizarre that I was asking them if they knew someone we had discussed on many occasions. I wouldn't be foolish enough to think that I could draw reliable broad conclusions about a topic from polling my own social circle though.
Quelle suprise; your (clearly made up) social experiment leads you to the conclusion that you were right all along.
DC we're not surprised or hurt that the people in the made up story don't know who Michael Martin is. We're surprised you expected us to believe any of what you posted. Especially considering you previously talked about both Irish leaders before claiming you didn't know him.
I am relieved because I want to take posters at their word but that was a stretch at 100 texts.
we clearly work in very different fields. I work in an organisation that specialises in diversity work and youth and community work, so discussions like that are day and daily, and we do value time out of work
but hey, some of you guys think I am making it up. It is though incredible to me the level at which you either don’t accept what I’ve expressed or don’t want to accept it. Its illuminating for me.
it feels like southerners are from Mars and Northerners are from Venus
It's not southerners vs northerners at play here DC. It's the fact you had to make up a story to promote your own views of Northern Irish culture that's at fault.
.....I'm from the North, Downcow. This isn't a Northerners vs Southerners thing.
Since you were quoting your grandmother a while back, I'll share one myself, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck".
Still in denial that the Constitution addresses itself specifically to the 'island' of Ireland, the 'nation' of Ireland and the 'state' of Ireland.
Your issue I'm afraid,
More efficient than LucidTalk.
Francie, you can spin it all your like, but the Constitution explicitly recognises that there is more than one identity on this island. Hint: It isn't a separate Irish identity. That you continue to deny this is, well, typical.
Actually, in my experience, most other people from Central or South America get pissed off at "American" being used to refer specifically to the yanks. The term is used in that context in the English language. Your friend may of course be different.
BTW, if you were born up North, technically you weren't born in "Britain" either
Aha the pivot is in.
I wasn't talking about identity but what the constitution addresses, which is the 'island' of Ireland, the 'nation' of Ireland and the 'state' of Ireland. Something you need to deny to support your partitionism.
Of course the Constitution addresses the "island of Ireland" in order to say that the "state" of Ireland has no territorial claim on the island of Ireland anymore. It also explicitly accepts that there are identities other than the "nation" of Ireland entitled to the "island of Ireland".
in order to say that the "state" of Ireland has no territorial claim on the island of Ireland anymore.
The constitution does not SAY this anywhere.
Read it sometime blanch and you don't even have to get past the first page to see that it addresses the 'nation' the 'island' and the 'state'.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#part1
I used to go on the Our Wee Country soccer forum about a decade ago, and they were having a debate about what should be the team's anthem then, never mind now. Is NI still so divided that no-one can agree on a politically-neutral sporting anthem after over a decade of agreeing that the one they have should go? Someone should get the finger out, there.
The Tricolour and anthem are all Ireland symbols. That others wish them not to be is neither here nor there.
This constant attempt to pacify beligerent Unionism with concessions needs to stop. It's irritating.
Sure only on Saturday you didn't know who Michael [sic] Martin was. So which is it? Honestly, try and keep your story straight.
Your posts the last couple of days have been so laughably disingenuous. It's ridiculous
Now, any chance you can answer the questions posed to you by myself and Kildare P on the NIP? I haven't seen any answers to the follow up questions.
Even if this is true, there's a strange type of pride coming across as to the level of ignorance, which is astonishing.
If you lived where I do (along the border), you would know this is a feigned lack of interest that is common. To be 'interested' is to give the Irish state recognition and legitimacy and the rump of belligerent Unionism doesn't like doing that.
The reality is, these guys and gals keep a very close eye on people and events here.
Well everyone from the Ireland is Irish by that fact.... and don't infer Irish equals an Irish citizenship of the jurisdiction ROI. If you are from Ireland you can be referred to as Irish.
The Irish nation is not a sovereign country.... if it was then talk of a UI is redundant. The GFA refers to Ireland as being a nation. A nation of people who occupy Ireland.
Ireland is not a country in the same way England and Scotland are not counties. none are sovereign. But they're nations. The England and Scottish nations are within the sovereignty of the UK. The Irish nation is within both the sovereignty of the UK and ROI.
The trying to change the meaning of Irish to just mean Irish citizen of the ROI or something else political is factually incorrect. By fact you are Irish if you are from Ireland as the denomyn for Ireland is Irish. Did Irish people exist prior to 1921? Because coming from the logic that only Irish citzens are Irish then there was no such thing as and Irish person prior to 1921.... do English people exist today despite that there is no such thing as an English citzen? If an Irish person did exist prior to 1921 how did you qualify as being irish? What makes a person English today?
link please. i have requested this a few times
people just making stuff up left, right and centre. There has never been an agreement the current anthem should go. I only wish you were not making this up - unless of course you have a link or evidence??
i am really surprised at the reaction to my little fun survey. From abject denial to anger and derision. It leaves my wondering why it matters so much to you?
I feel unable to convince you guys, but i reported back completely accurately - I can do no more
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That was delightfully delivered
You had the chance to come on here and act as an honest voice for the typical Northern Irish unionist, however, as I said before - the attitudes you're espousing on here are stereotypes with very little honesty. The denial of your obviously pretend survey is based on the unlikeliness of the circumstances and your multiple counts of dishonesty e.g. stating you don't know who Micheál Martin is despite having previously describing him as Taoiseach.
So we've moved from your misplaced anger over the protocol, to ignorance of the protocol to making up claims to fuel your world view.
I have requested much from you with nothing in return. You have been outed as dishonest by someone else.
'Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive'.
Rumbled 😂😂😂
Or the less refined, "WHOOMP, there it is'...
