The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
What you point out regarding cables and parking spaces are so obvious to an EV driver, likes of M3, MS, Ioniq etc particularly caught.
So therefore it's obvious eCars are either ignoring/incompetent in their approach.
Longer "overhead" cables would sort the issue
Very true regarding the new DC twin cable units cables being too short...
I pulled into Athlone services (Kilmartin) last week needing a top up, an ID.3 was in the middle space using the 150kW CCS (absolutely fine), so I parked in space 3 to use the 50kW CCS, and low and behold it wouldn't reach the rear left charge port (Model 3), I had to park in much tighter to the ID.3, and with the nose well out over the walkway to get the cable to fit.
This is a perfect example of a site that can charge 4 cars at once yet there's only 3 spaces...... If someone parked in space 3 and plugged into the AC (and stayed for the day, which they are perfectly entitled to do), then the 2 DC plugs on that unit are rendered useless as long as a car is occupying the middle space while using the 150kW charger.
Space 1 & 2 should be for the 150kW only (and ideally both CCS). the 50kW unit should be directly behind space 3 so the cables will reach any car's charge port, and there should be a space 4 designated AC only as an AC cable would easily reach the unit from a 4th space.
Incidentally later on that day when arriving home, I stopped into my local DC Triple head for another quick top up as the OH was going straight back out for a drive and needed some fast juice (arrived at 20% & didn't have time to charge at home), and an MG taxi was plugged in. I saw he was close to his 45 minutes, so plugged into the AC43 to at least get something until he'd finished, but when it came time for him to finish up, the app couldn't connect to the server and he couldn't finish his charge. I told him to just use the card but he didn't have one and was waiting 3 weeks for it to arrive!! I checked my app and it was the same... He called eCars and they couldn't do anything either other than tell him to lock/unlock his car, which seemed to end the charge (Didn't Bob Flavin discover this flaw with the MG's whereby locking the car stopped the charge?). Anyway it was the 2nd time I needed to rely on eCars to be on time, and once again it was a bit of a sh1tshow...
2 days previously I stopped in Galway Plaza, plugged into the 150kW which was great, but 3 seconds later another Model 3 arrived and plugged into the 50kW, and then 10 minutes later 2 Model S's arrived within a minute of each other.. All the while the CHAdeMO on the 150kW unit was sat idle while I was only pulling 50-60kW from it by that stage... I stopped at 80% and got out of there to allow the first Model S to get in and start charging.
ESB need to get the finger out and start the next J14 style '8 car' hub ASAP because relying on them is a fcuking sh1tshow....
The Athenry & Enfield Superchargers can't come quick enough........
Yeah there are a few 3 Bay FCPs. Enfield and some others on the M6/M4, I believe.
True it's all Ecars fault but you'd expect some courtesy, especially when I asked the guy and demonstrated it to him that cables won't reach. I'd myself repark the car for other user to reach the other cables if asked (politely 😎)
Anyway longer cables would do the trick. The new 50 kW AC/DC (replacement) cables are also short! The 150 kW are a bit longer maybe...
Yes! And Junction 7 has 2 Ionity.
We know castlebellingham has the power already as they have 2 supercharger sites one each side!
+1 for Clonshaugh, both Lusk services and Castlebellingham services. Power lines run parallel to the motorway. These should be easy upgrades to hubs and they're busy too.
I was more thinking about 1 of the 2 hotels at the same site. Surely they could give over or rent out 2/4 spaces for some chargers? One of them already has a bank of AC chargers in its underground carpark, but fast chargers are what's needed...... Look how much land is around the site..... Theres bucketloads of scope there for the development of a hub.. a hyper hub even.... 20 cars... all that airport taxi traffic, needing fast charges on their way back to the airport.....
It could not be better located for such a hub...
Can we keep the discussion on-topic please? There is a politics sub-forum where you can rant about Eamon Ryan.
My own view of Eamon Ryan is quite dim though perhaps for different reasons than yours but let's talk about eCars only here.
How can I avoid paying tax ? I'd love to know lol
They were queuing correctly. The error was that you needed the fast AC and they didnt move.
Not gonna happen I would say. The parking is too busy at Clonshaugh and I don't think Circle K would give that up. If they did add more charge points it'd be ICE'd frequently.
I was there the other day and needed a 20 min charge to continue a journey. Leaf 24 charging on CHAdeMO and another Leaf 24 sitting next to it. I asked them to move. "Oh, we're just queueing". I told them to move and queue in a parking spot. They were blocking AC43 which I needed.
You could always change your behavior and not have to pay the tax 😲
There are triple head units with 3 parking bays!?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, badly designed charging units and their parking are not your fault and you shouldn't burden yourself with them. Park whatever way gets you plugged in. If people complain, tell them to complain to Ecars, you're only a symptom of their bad design.
eamon is spending 2 million of our tax money to launch a covid style climate awareness campaign seeing as how successful the covid brainwashing went, so you'll constantly hear it on the radio see it on tv etc t the only way to stop man made climate change is for Irish people to reduce co2 and pay more tax lol which of course is what it's all about. lets hope he doesn't get the green light to go ahead with such waste of money.
Yes. Sandyford SuC would be over 50kW when open. There are about 13 ecars and 2 easygo all 50 kW. Some of the ecars are power limited to 50kW meaning if one connects AC43 while DC is in use both AC and DC are limited to 25 kW each
That is correct.
the closest 150kW chargers would be Kells, Portlaois or Kilcullen
i think the services at Clonshaugh would be an ideal spot for a hub of some sort 4-8 car site…..
it’s at the M1/M50 interchange, close to the airport, so just a prime location for a hub.
anyone hitting Dublin from the northern half of the country gets a nice top up before heading into the city, anyone going to the airport for a collection/drop off from the country gets their top up, taxi’s based at the airport get their top up before going back to the airport, anyone heading to the northern half of the country gets a top up for the outward leg……: prime spot.
theres also 2 hotels onsite so power shouldn’t be an issue.
Am I correct in saying that there are no 150kw chargers in Dublin? The highest powered chargers available are 50kw?
Just poor selection of charge units, there are plenty about with “overhead” cables that swing out from charger but never seen these in Ireland.
Was charging the i3 at the Enfield triple head yesterday.
Fella with L24 parked in the 2nd (middle bay) charging on the chademo when I arrived.
So I parked in the 1st bay just to try - the CCS cable wouldn't reach to the right side rear charging port.
Then I parked in the 3rd bay - the AC cable didn't reach the charging slot either.
So what I'm gonna do - waste time time eating and not charging? Wanted to go 11 kW on the AC43 at least while I'm eating and the Leaf finishes charging.
Then the fella appears, and I'm explaining that the charger is designed for the cars to park in the order of the cables they're using...
1st bay - 1st cable - Chedemo
2nd bay - 2nd cable - CCS
3rd bay - 3rd cable - AC43
But no, he was arguing that all cars can connect the cables & charge at the same time and that his parking in the 2nd bay didn't prevent anyone using the others including the AC43. I'd even parked in the 3rd bay to demonstrate that I can't even connect to the AC43 there. I would have probably reached it if I parked diagonally to the charger... To add insult to the injury, the leaf was drawing like 3 kW.
Anyway, Ecars stupid design/layout for sure, but Leaf users absolutely should park in the 1st bay else no one can use the AC43 and can't even queue in the correct spot for the CCS. Saying that if a CCS car was in the 2nd bay I wouldn't have gotten to the AC43 either.
Short cables, stupid layout, and some ignorant users 😔 A deadly combo
There was an article in the Wall St Journal Monday or Tuesday this week about the USA context "Gas Stations Face Tough, Costly Choice on EV Chargers"
It does seem alright that cost sharing with network providers and/or automakers is a requirement for the economics to work out
eCars advert on radio last night as drove up to a 50kW charger. Leaf and Kona charging. Leaf waiting. Went to the next 50kW with the Leaf and a Zoe showed up within a few minutes! This does not tally with the sentiment of the advert :(
I think it's clear now that the greens have no real interest in EVs - they're just anti car, in every guise. I know if I was vehemently in favour of something & I got into government, in the very ministry where I could effect change, I'd be hammering through my targets.
Not a peep from Eamon, bless him. He's just trotted out to take the flak for Leo & co., then put back to bed till next time.
It's demoralising, it really is 😕.
I think we should all spam him, just for the craic...
Saying that TDs aren't working until September, I just wrote to another one so I know! FFS and we pay for this "service" 🙄
I've only been there twice but both times, I had to move to different units & spend several minutes to finally get a charge. Speeds were poor too, 60kWs odd while I should have been topping 100kWs+.
It wouldn't inspire confidence TBH, given they've been up & running a few months now. Good job they're still free!
Yep it's free as from last Monday. It's a nice services but very, very busy!!
The only time I used Rochestown it took me 15 minutes to get a charge going, needed to call them to reset the unit… I only went there because the Frankfield one was busy!!!
Cork is desperately underserved for DC charging (now though mainly only for non Tesla EV’s). They could do with some serious upgrades there (150&50kW sites like Kells etc…)
any inklings as to where the next 7/8 car J14 style hub will go?
Yup. Rochestown is out of action for the time being.
Still free vend for the HPC. The FCP is pay for play. CCS has been pretty reliable this last week:
^^ Last Sunday for example, 1/3 of the CCS plugs were unavailable (most likely 1 unit dead).
Typically a quarter or more of the CCS plugs are in use:
J14 still free at the moment?
what’s the reliability been like in the CCS plugs? Will stop in on the way for some ice cream!!!
it’s a great service area… only stopped there for the 1st time back in June when the lads were about to fire up the new units…
Is that unit out of action now? I'm due to go to Douglas on Saturday and trying to decide if I should bring the ID3 or the ICE.
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