I appreciate your logic, but disagree with you. Sectarianism needs rooted out of our society.
maybe that wasn’t the greatest example I gave. Here is the ‘provisional IRA lullaby’ where the words include “one day you’ll die and go to heaven and you’ll find no loyalist f***ers there”.
is this sectarian?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W4q2WQkhptw
Again, I'm not defending the song nor saying that the sentiments expressed aren't something we need to get rid of if we're to ever move on (I think....like I said, can barely make out a word).....but sectarian isn't a catch all for everything we find distasteful.
As for the line, “one day you’ll die and go to heaven and you’ll find no loyalist f***ers there”, that I'd agree is clearly sectarian to my reading. The statement hinges on the person's membership of the Loyalist community rather than it being a comment about someone who happens to be a member of the Loyalist community. It is an attack specifically on their Loyalism.
Criticising a Unionist newspaper (which has approx 10,000 readers and falling) is not sectarian downcow.
What it is, is an over sensitivity to criticism and a victimhood complex, something I pointed out about you when you started posting here.
*I didn't give a dictionary definition by the way. If you want to discuss what sectarianism is, open a thread on it.
For the purposes of this thread you were asked to define what was sectarian about the comment and you ran away from that and are now trying to deflect to some idiot singing a song.
Well that idiot sings those songs regularly in local GAA clubs, patrons join in and they invite him back the next year.
would you say that is sectarian behaviour by the GAA?
No, it is sectarian behaviour in a GAA club.
To be 'sectarian behaviour by the GAA' it would have to be practiced by all of the GAA and promoted at an organisational level.
While a song about killing 18 British soldiers is distasteful, I don't think its a sectarian song. The British Army/mlitary is despised by most Irish people, not because of their religion or their race. They are despised in Ireland because of how they behaved in Ireland towards Irish people. When you hear or see ''Brits Out'', it the British Army (who have all nationalities and all religions in it), they are referring to, not Unionists or British people.
That's nuance of the sort that's difficult for belligerent Unionists to get their heads around.
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Back to the protocol, did we never find out just exactly what's wrong with it from a Unionist perspective?
Or what they think the alternative is.
They are busy going increasingly quiet on it. The 'de-stabilising of Dublin/the South' has been cancelled. etc. I think we are heading into the 'ah shure gon ahead' phase of 'Never Never Never, ah shure go on ahead'.
Pretty hard to keep up the 'woe is me' as the shortages and empty shelves grow in Britain itself while there are no shortages in the north.
I don't buy that at all.
"Brits Out" is as racist as "No Irish need apply". An employer can't use the excuse that it's not because they are Irish, that it is because of how they behaved when working for him which is the equivalent of the excuse you are using to justify a blatantly racist slogan.
The nuance of it only applying to the British Army is not one that I heard back in the day. It is a modern day invention.
B-U-L-L.
Many many British people lived here through the conflict/war without any issue whatsoever.
You moved on from mis-representing posters to mis-representing the past.
Just because many British people lived here without any issue doesn't take away from the racism of the "Brits Out" slogan. Own your toxic ideology.
Never once claimed anything other than I want the British government (Brits Out) out of Ireland blanch. I don't need to invent and lie about the past as a consequence.
You are partitionist which is IMO the most toxic and poisonous ideology on this island, it's lazy, callous, apologetic attitude to what happened here being a case in point. At least republicanism embraced the peace when the circumstances allowed it.
The partitionist will take up with any ideology that achieves their aim, the continued partition of the island. Good to see that some former partitionists, like those leading FG, now see that ideology is untenable. And it is the shennanigans and disaster of Brexit and the Protocol which has got them there.
Brits Out is racist, full stop. It always was, it always will be.
Brits aren't a race so it's definitely not racist.
Go on home British soldiers go on home.
Cool cool.
What about the NIP so now that you're here?
oh stop embarrassing yourself for downcow likes.
I never used the phrase myself but it was always clear it had nothing to do with the British race. If you thought it did then, not for the first time, you were woefully misinformed.
Wow, just wow. "Brits out" is rarely heard or seen these days (apart from the occasional usage by Mary-Lou and the QUB Young SFers) because of its racist connotations.
Sure, they were different times in the 1970s, when a lot of other racist nonsense was tolerated, and when SF was singing this slogan. However, that was then, this is now, and pretending that it isn't racist is quite scary in these times.
Mary Lou the most popular leader in the land
Might have something to do that the primary users of the phrase were the IRA and their supporters, who are now gone. Did you just shoot yourself in the foot again? 😀
Shark well and truly jumped with your nonsense accusations of Whataboutery.....I'll give you a clue, Blanch. Check the thread title.
In what sort of Blanch bizarro-world is it Whataboutery to discuss the topic of the thread?!?
Is she? Wasn't aware of that.
I was wondering what NIP stood for. The title of the thread is the Irish protocol. Sorry for getting dragged down a cul-de-sac.
NIP is Northern Irish Protocol, a more appropriate name for the thread title subject, Blanch. How you've managed to come into a thread on the topic and not been able to piece that together to get off another one of your anti-Nationalist rants, I have no idea. Do you just spot the word Irish in a thread title and think, 'Yes, I can rant about Nationalists/Republicans in here"?
How you've made accusations of whataboutery when you self-admittedly didn't have a clue what the other poster was asking you about....well that's perplexing to the point one has to question whether you're just trolling now.
Any thread that might be critical of the British or Unionists has to be deflected, flamed and disrupted in case there is a gain for their nemesis. The strategy is clear now.
So, in your opinion, Michael Martin is a racist because he admitted to thinking ''Brits Out'' in his youth?
It just didn't mean the British Army - it also meant British (Westminister rule) on the island of Ireland. It came into being at the same time as when the Troubles started (and when British Army were deployed into Northern Ireland).
You were the one doing the dragging.
But now that we've cleared that up, what are your thoughts on the NIP?
theres no relation between the term brits out and no irish need apply. the brits were an occupying force. the irish were immigrants
Nonsense. I know several catholics who were born in England and schooled here with English accents. When you listen to their stories they are traumatised by the attention they got simply because of their accent. The Ira etc used the brits out statement and the kids in school acted upon it.
And what did it mean for the British living along the border or in the city side of Londonderry?
