You were the one doing the dragging.
But now that we've cleared that up, what are your thoughts on the NIP?
It just didn't mean the British Army - it also meant British (Westminister rule) on the island of Ireland. It came into being at the same time as when the Troubles started (and when British Army were deployed into Northern Ireland).
So, in your opinion, Michael Martin is a racist because he admitted to thinking ''Brits Out'' in his youth?
Any thread that might be critical of the British or Unionists has to be deflected, flamed and disrupted in case there is a gain for their nemesis. The strategy is clear now.
NIP is Northern Irish Protocol, a more appropriate name for the thread title subject, Blanch. How you've managed to come into a thread on the topic and not been able to piece that together to get off another one of your anti-Nationalist rants, I have no idea. Do you just spot the word Irish in a thread title and think, 'Yes, I can rant about Nationalists/Republicans in here"?
How you've made accusations of whataboutery when you self-admittedly didn't have a clue what the other poster was asking you about....well that's perplexing to the point one has to question whether you're just trolling now.
I was wondering what NIP stood for. The title of the thread is the Irish protocol. Sorry for getting dragged down a cul-de-sac.
Is she? Wasn't aware of that.
Shark well and truly jumped with your nonsense accusations of Whataboutery.....I'll give you a clue, Blanch. Check the thread title.
In what sort of Blanch bizarro-world is it Whataboutery to discuss the topic of the thread?!?
Might have something to do that the primary users of the phrase were the IRA and their supporters, who are now gone. Did you just shoot yourself in the foot again? 😀
Mary Lou the most popular leader in the land
Wow, just wow. "Brits out" is rarely heard or seen these days (apart from the occasional usage by Mary-Lou and the QUB Young SFers) because of its racist connotations.
Sure, they were different times in the 1970s, when a lot of other racist nonsense was tolerated, and when SF was singing this slogan. However, that was then, this is now, and pretending that it isn't racist is quite scary in these times.
oh stop embarrassing yourself for downcow likes.
I never used the phrase myself but it was always clear it had nothing to do with the British race. If you thought it did then, not for the first time, you were woefully misinformed.
Cool cool.
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What about the NIP so now that you're here?
Brits aren't a race so it's definitely not racist.
Go on home British soldiers go on home.
Brits Out is racist, full stop. It always was, it always will be.
Never once claimed anything other than I want the British government (Brits Out) out of Ireland blanch. I don't need to invent and lie about the past as a consequence.
You are partitionist which is IMO the most toxic and poisonous ideology on this island, it's lazy, callous, apologetic attitude to what happened here being a case in point. At least republicanism embraced the peace when the circumstances allowed it.
The partitionist will take up with any ideology that achieves their aim, the continued partition of the island. Good to see that some former partitionists, like those leading FG, now see that ideology is untenable. And it is the shennanigans and disaster of Brexit and the Protocol which has got them there.
Just because many British people lived here without any issue doesn't take away from the racism of the "Brits Out" slogan. Own your toxic ideology.
B-U-L-L.
Many many British people lived here through the conflict/war without any issue whatsoever.
You moved on from mis-representing posters to mis-representing the past.
I don't buy that at all.
"Brits Out" is as racist as "No Irish need apply". An employer can't use the excuse that it's not because they are Irish, that it is because of how they behaved when working for him which is the equivalent of the excuse you are using to justify a blatantly racist slogan.
The nuance of it only applying to the British Army is not one that I heard back in the day. It is a modern day invention.
Or what they think the alternative is.
They are busy going increasingly quiet on it. The 'de-stabilising of Dublin/the South' has been cancelled. etc. I think we are heading into the 'ah shure gon ahead' phase of 'Never Never Never, ah shure go on ahead'.
Pretty hard to keep up the 'woe is me' as the shortages and empty shelves grow in Britain itself while there are no shortages in the north.
That's nuance of the sort that's difficult for belligerent Unionists to get their heads around.
Back to the protocol, did we never find out just exactly what's wrong with it from a Unionist perspective?
While a song about killing 18 British soldiers is distasteful, I don't think its a sectarian song. The British Army/mlitary is despised by most Irish people, not because of their religion or their race. They are despised in Ireland because of how they behaved in Ireland towards Irish people. When you hear or see ''Brits Out'', it the British Army (who have all nationalities and all religions in it), they are referring to, not Unionists or British people.
No, it is sectarian behaviour in a GAA club.
To be 'sectarian behaviour by the GAA' it would have to be practiced by all of the GAA and promoted at an organisational level.
Well that idiot sings those songs regularly in local GAA clubs, patrons join in and they invite him back the next year.
would you say that is sectarian behaviour by the GAA?
Criticising a Unionist newspaper (which has approx 10,000 readers and falling) is not sectarian downcow.
What it is, is an over sensitivity to criticism and a victimhood complex, something I pointed out about you when you started posting here.
*I didn't give a dictionary definition by the way. If you want to discuss what sectarianism is, open a thread on it.
For the purposes of this thread you were asked to define what was sectarian about the comment and you ran away from that and are now trying to deflect to some idiot singing a song.
Again, I'm not defending the song nor saying that the sentiments expressed aren't something we need to get rid of if we're to ever move on (I think....like I said, can barely make out a word).....but sectarian isn't a catch all for everything we find distasteful.
As for the line, “one day you’ll die and go to heaven and you’ll find no loyalist f***ers there”, that I'd agree is clearly sectarian to my reading. The statement hinges on the person's membership of the Loyalist community rather than it being a comment about someone who happens to be a member of the Loyalist community. It is an attack specifically on their Loyalism.
I appreciate your logic, but disagree with you. Sectarianism needs rooted out of our society.
maybe that wasn’t the greatest example I gave. Here is the ‘provisional IRA lullaby’ where the words include “one day you’ll die and go to heaven and you’ll find no loyalist f***ers there”.
is this sectarian?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W4q2WQkhptw
I genuinely can barely make out what he's singing; if it is about the targeted murder specifically of British soldiers based on their occupation of NI, I'd say highly distasteful, insensitive and unpleasant, but not sectarian. If it was about the indiscriminate killing of, "18 Brits" not specifically because they're soldiers, but because of some sort of, 'any dead Brit is good' mentality, well then I'd still say highly distasteful, insensitive and unpleasant and also sectarian.....though anglophobic or xenophobic would probably be a more accurate description to my view of NI.
Being very clear, I'm not suggesting that murdering British soldiers was OK, and celebrating the murder of anyone is certainly not something I'm saying is alright, I'm saying if the song is celebrating the death because they're British then it is xenophobic, if not, it isn't. Perhaps I haven't phrased this exactly how I mean it, but I'm struggling to think of a better way to verbalise it.
Either way, the song is absolutely sh*te and I couldn't make it further than the first verse even trying to give an answer to your question.
No I would not suggest any of those examples be sectarian.
but to suggest (and I am not saying you are) that it is a pure dictionary definition like francie thinks, would be ridiculous in the Irish context. That would mean the catholic and Presbyterian churches are sectarian and the Uvf and Ira are not.
I am curious if you would regard this little number, which I think has just been released, is sectarian or not?
https://youtu.be/46UJw34R7ok
jaysus if thats what the average unionist believes the no wonder unionism is in such trouble
