So whatever a councillor or member says in a party, that then can be taken for the party's policy?
Who knew!
Any answer to the 'So what?' bit?
I'm sure you can climb up onto some high moral ground about it.
That isn't what I said, but you twist away as always.
So then show us were SF's anti-science policy is.
Having a different opinion to NPHET is not to be 'anti-science'...if that is the case there are a lot of anti-science parties in Ireland FF FG and the Greens to be exact.
I think I have already said she shouldn't have said it.
Misrepresenting/lying again?
I'm asking you to place this on the order of crimes against humanity by asking 'so what?'
Is it as bad as Enda telling an 'N' joke. Leo demeaning those on benefits. Where does it fit?
Have at it.
There you are again, you can't just say that she was wrong. You have to say "so what", you have to introduce Leo to the discussion.
He said she shouldnt have said it.....kind of splitting hairs theres between saying she was wrong?
Maybe she should resign??
SHe shouldn't have said it. It was wrong...that is why she shouldn't have said it.
You are a gas, if somewhat dangerous, man for creating stances for people and then ranting about them.
I introduced two politicians who have said stuff they shouldn't have to see where you think this fits. But I see once again that you are going to run and run from questions again
It deosnt matter when it applies to his side....like the man defenda open corruption to the hilt
But loses his cool are people comparied segregating unvax and vaxinated people to rosa parks and apoligised (because its a poor comparison)....wee bit insincere imo,
Thanks for the interesting link. It's irrelevant unless by claiming to be "not very woke" you are admitting to being not "well informed" and perhaps didn't know who Rosa Parks was. And even those not particularly "alert to racial or social discrimination" are likely aware of the desegregation movement of the 50's and 60's and its place in the history of slavery and its consequences.
"So what?" you ask. Conway Walsh's remark sought to equate a temporary public health measure temporaily restricting a leisure activity with one important step in a centuries long struggle for basic human rights. I don't think you have to be woke to see a problem.
What 'problem'?
She made an inappropriate comparison and apologised for it. Saying 'she shouldn't have said it and asking the simple 'so what' question was compared defending somebody 'saying the Nazi's were right' a few posts ago, would you see a problem in blanch's high moral ground over exaggeration
The "problem" is, as I posted previously, that "Conway Walsh's comment displays a lack of historical perspective and a lack of proportionality. (As did Mattie McGrath's "mark of the beast" comment)".
You were asked if she was right to offer the ridiculous comparison she made. Reasonably enough, you said no. If you had left it at that I wouldn't have posted on this issue. However you equivocated by the dismissive "So what" and the equally dismissive (and in this case inaccurate) reference to wokeness.
So not much of a 'problem' created so.
I would see 'wokeism' as an over exaggeration of the offence caused by remarks like this. In that sense, I am not very 'woke'.
I think people who indulge in wokeism are not very genuine.
No need to worry about your uwawakened state since wokeness doesn't apply in this case. Conway Walsh's comparison would have been stupid and ridiculous 10, 20, or 30 years ago before you, I or the OED had heard of wokeness. Ditto Mattie McGrath.
At least she apologised.
She was complaining about discrimination which is the very definition of 'woke'.
'alert to racial or social discrimination'
Ah right, going against medical advice is just 'differing' opinions.
Just like anti-vaxxers have 'differing' opinions. You are like a broken record on the subject and stern defence of all things SF.
The opposition don't 'act' Mark, they give an opinion as part of their mandate, the government 'act' and this government went against the medical advice and many suffered and died. Facts again.
Sure, anti-science and anti-vaxx nonsense is just SF and others giving their opinion.
Letting unvax kids into pubs/restsuramts is going againest medical advice🤔
Obvious infersion here,yous also believe the government should resign over it?
Well, exactly. That is my point.
It is only an 'opinion' if it isn't party policy. Kinda basic understanding of politics is it not?
I just googled randomly here and came up with FG's Brian Hayes (remember him!) as a front bench TD getting himself and his party in bother when he expressed his lovely opinion that immigrant schoolchildren should be segregated until they learnt English.
Now I would have voted for FG when Brian made his opinion known because I KNEW that wasn't party policy. Loads of examples like this across the political sphere in Ireland and elsewhere.
'Opinions' as they say Mark, 'are like a******s, everyone has one'.
So unless you can show that it is party policy, it's a big 'meh' from me.
I'd be of the opinion that SF have been about as much use as a chocolate teapot through the pandemic and the most positive thing I could say about them is that at least during the early stages of the first lockdown when we were all scrambling around trying to work out what the hell was happening globally, they kept their mouths shut for a short while.
That being said, Government policy often does go against medical advice and indeed sometimes that medical advice has been ultra conservative, 'worst case scenario' based advice. One expects the Government to take medical advice onboard, but not to be blindly led by it at the expense of everything else. On lockdowns alone for example, NPHET are purely concerned with public health, anything outside the scope of public health does not factor into their advice. The government have to consider, for example the economic impact of those recommendations and find a balance which means that the negative impacts on the economy (which itself has a human cost) don't overshadow the benefits of just blindly following the purely medical advice.
Disagreeing with precisely how the government found that balance doesn't make one anti-Science, nor does it mean one is ignoring medical advice any more than it makes one economically illiterate to believe that they should've followed the medical advice more thoroughly.
Very quiet in here lately, almost like there's not much to whinge about
isn't this where people come to 'whinge about sinn fein", so if the thread has gone quiet that must mean there is nothing about SF to whinge about
seems youre in here whinging about no-one else whinging about sinn fein
if you need a whinge fix, I suggest heading over to the zappone thread, or the ffg thread, lots of opportunity to vent your spleen on it, from were I am sat, it looks like the current govt are providing plenty of material for people to whinge about
id say that post didn't go exactly as you thought it might lol
Your extrapolation is well off the mark there, a chara
People whinging about no whinging. You couldn't make it up. Back to more serious stuff, I see the good republicans are at it again.
Some of those retirements from active service have been very lucrative.
I think that the only ‘cause’ they’re interested is feathering their own nests. “The group have been smuggling for decades and while many have claimed they were involved in criminality for ‘the cause’ they have all squirrelled away personal fortunes from their rackets.”
It was always that way. The PIRA attracted smugglers, criminals and pyschopaths like moths to a lightbulb. Some of them even ended up in national politics.
It has long been accepted and acknowledged that criminal elements attached themselves to 'the cause' as they did on all sides or in any conflict/war in the history of the world.
Any connection to SF here?
Does Sinn Fein commemorate and celebrate the landmine attack that he was involved in? Or has it been given the Orwellian treatment and been scrubbed from history?
Let me get this straight:
This guy was a combatant in the conflict/war and you are saying everything he does in the rest of his life is the responsibility of SF?
Does that apply to everyone involved in a conflict?
I asked a question of Maryanne, I'll ask it of you - what is the connection to Sinn Fein here?
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