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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,466 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Poor Eskimo. No wonder hes back preaching about BLM after this post of reality against his favouritest channel.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If people want to do it, by all means they should.

    But they are either wrong or woke to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,510 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It seems that the word "woke" is now just a term to disparage the concept of empathy.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Is there any greater example of "virtue signalling" than tory politicians seemingly unable to give a speech without at least one giant union jack as a backdrop? One time with Johnson, I counted six. Same as free speech and cancel culture, i guess, once they're your particular "virtues", all is fair in love and war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    No, as you yourself rightly hinted at earlier, the term itself is really unhelpful. It's so bandied around for nefarious purposes that it has lost any useful intrinsic value it might once have had.

    In reality, all of this is very simple. "I don't agree or like what you're saying but i will defend to the hilt your right to say it" is the bare minimum i would expect from those proclaiming to be undying champions of free speech. It's the utterly transparent hypocrisy that is both laughable and galling. By all means, keep having a go at blm and other protests, but stop banging on about free speech. And, for pity's sake, please stfu about being victims of cancel culture when it's little more than a week, a guy was effectively ran out of the station for making a gesture certain people didn't like.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My personal opinion. Which is what forums tend to be about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So ib your personal opinion people shouldn't be free to express themselves, in your personal opinion its ok for someone to get sacked for expressing thier opinion?


    The station you laud as a bastion for free speech and free expression cancels someone for exerting thier rights and you're OK with this?


    I've said it before and will say it again, you're a hypocrite.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    True but generally it's for some level of discussion. To use an example, the 3 players who missed penalties a few weeks back were subjected to a huge amount of racism. So taking the knee seems entirely relevant. The fact that members of the government actively avoided condemning the booing also says a lot about the state of British politics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    The presenter got cancelled by the viewers (by boycotting the station and forcing them to remove him)



  • Posts: 364 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why would someone in Ireland be watching this channel?


    Can you even watch it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Whereas the station should have explained that while they were not happy with him expressing himself that way they believe he has the right to express himself. I'd you are going to champion yourself as a station of free speech/expression then you need to be consistent, otherwise you just look like a bunch of hypocrites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,920 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I read something recently which I think was a letter from Guto Harri to the GB News bosses (though couldn't find it with a quick Google so I'm not sure), but Guto Harri was suspended for kneeling. GB News said his position fell below their editorial standards.

    Farage then said on his show that he would never take the knee. That is as much taking a position on the topic as Guto Harri taking the knee, so by rights Farage should be equally culpable of breaching the GB News standards. But really, it was never about any kind of editorial standards, but about pandering to their audience who weren't happy with the position Harri took.

    If you're about free speech, debate and have editorial standards regarding taking positions on controversial topics, there's no difference between Harri kneeling and Farage explicitly making a point about never kneeling.

    In other news, Arlene Foster has joined GB News in some capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    It was in his resignation letter


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2021/jul/18/guto-harri-quits-gb-news-as-nigel-farage-is-given-prime-time-show


    "Written directly to GB chief executive Angelos Frangopoulos, he continues: “Before I took the knee on air I discussed it with my producer, director, co-presenters and head of newsroom. After I did it, GB News captured the moment and proactively cascaded it on social media.


    Two days later you told me you wanted me to take a break for the summer. You did not say you were briefing papers and issuing a statement that accused me of breaching your editorial standards.

    “I asked you to change that on the night – pointing out it was defamatory. You ignored my texts and refused to take my calls. I now see that you’ve hired Nigel Farage who immediately declared in public that he will not be taking the knee.

    “Please explain how that does not breach editorial standards but I did.”


    “You took me off air for backing the England football team making a simple public statement against racism while arguing that GB News is about celebrating the best of Britain, defending free speech, having the debates others won’t have and combatting the cancel culture. You are intelligent enough to see what an absurd parody of that your station has become.”



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    It was Mussolini that got the trains to run on time. Hitler built the Autobahns - military highways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,765 ✭✭✭francois


    It is also lazy, a substitute for the equally meaningless "PC crowd"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Great to see another great free-speech warrior Arlene Foster join Farage. No stopping them now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    when even Sky News can't hide it, you know it's true they are being booed. It's defeaning

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prKYKzSH_Zw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,622 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    You are very quick to denigrate and demonize those who disagree with you, instead of answering their arguments.

    You are forever attributing bad motives to those who disagree with you.

    Using this kind of reasoning, you can believe or not believe anything about anything, without having to bother to deal with facts or logic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,052 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Even Sky News?

    That bastion of morality and lefty politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,052 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    In fairness to Farage he has nothing against the gays so they had a gap to fill in their den of disgusting world views



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Harri's exact words were "I think *everyone* should take the knee". I think that was his biggest mistake. That wasn't the only odd comment he made where he says he didn't know of the level of racism in football. He also said he didn't understand the objections to taking the knee where at some point he referenced the US BLM link so he understands perfectly well. But I'm afraid the *everyone should* comment makes his argument about free speech a weak one since apparently he doesn't seem to believe in freedom of opinion on this matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I believe everyone should stop smoking


    I believe everyone should give to charity


    I believe everyone should wear masks during a pandemic


    Those are my opinions and just like his its my right to believe and voice those opinions, My boss smokes, should I get the sack because I don't agree with him about smoking?



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hadn't seen this footage before now.

    Utterly cringeworthy spectacle.

    Had I been there, I would have contributed to the background symphony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,052 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Having lived around that part of Lewisham for a number of years I wouldn't be using Millwall football hooligans to back up my comments on anything.

    If anything your views being in line with Millwall Ultras only backs up what many believe here that you are a racist



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't watch football, and so neither know anything about those fans nor the local area. They have nothing to do with me.

    What I can say is that, as an individual, I deplore what I see on that pitch - and yes, I do consider it the absolute summit of virtue signalling.

    Footballers should stick to what they are good at, and leave politics to one side.

    Whilst I may not watch football, I can safely assume that fans do not attend games to be greeted with partisan political gesturing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The fans are not forced to watch it though, they could turn thier backs, go to the toilet or even (shock/horror) stay away and not have to see those upsetting 2 or 3 seconds of the players taking a knee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,776 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    (Hate this new element to boards where you can't highlight a portion of a quoted post.) This is the bit that I am want to refer to.

    "Footballers should stick to what they are good at, and leave politics to one side."

    What absolute unmitigated turgid BS nonsense that view is. Footballers are targeted daily by racists and you think they should shut up and take it? And if they did, and advocates in the stands held banners decrying racism, you'd probably report that those in the fans shouldn't hold such banners because it obviously isn't really an issue given the players aren't doing anything about it.

    Maybe your desire that footballers stick to solely football matters is because when a single footballer with a modicum of respect for others stands up to speak for those people it can force the government in to tacit acknowledgment of the dereliction of their duties, not once, but twice over the space of a few months as they reverse their chosen policies to now provide meals and supports to people who need it as happened when Marcus Rashford used his empathy, intelligence and platform to make a show of Boris Johnson and the Tories.

    You should be embarrassed for wishing that someone like him would not have done what he did.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,052 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Football fans and eskimohunters should stick to what they are good at and leave politics to one side.

    The fans in question from Millwall are well known for being the ones who have been bringing politics into games long before any knee taking so yes they do expect politics in the ground. They are famous for bringing some interesting politics regarding in the Irish into the stands over the years.



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