On that point, De Valera never said that. The quote actually came from James Craig in the Northern Ireland parliament. He stated the Northern Ireland had a Protestant parliament for a Protestant state and boasted that in generations to come people would compare the success of this Protestant parliament and state to the largely Catholic south and see how the Protestant state came out on top. Over time it found place in the minds of idiots that De Valera (by the way, I have no time for that man and his ideology/political record, and dont know anyone who speaks reverentially of him) had actually proclaimed the south to be a "Catholic country for a Catholic people"
You should take a read of De Valera's reaction to the request from Belfast for help during the Belfast Blitz, a decision to send southern emergency personnel to assist which he described as the quickest and easiest decision he ever made, to get a better view of his attitude to Protestants and the north. Perhaps also contrast the below with Lord Brookboroughs 'I wouldnt have a Catholic about the place and encourage employers to remove Catholic workers'
By 6 am, within two hours of the request for assistance, 71 firemen with 13 fire tenders from Dundalk, Drogheda, Dublin, and Dún Laoghaire were on their way to cross the Irish border to assist their Belfast colleagues. In each station volunteers were asked for, as it was beyond their normal duties. In every instance, all stepped forward. They remained for three days, until they were sent back by the Northern Ireland government. By then 250 firemen from Clydeside had arrived.
Taoiseach Éamon de Valera formally protested to Berlin.[23] He followed up with his "they are our people" speech, made in Castlebar, County Mayo, on Sunday 20 April 1941 (Quoted in the Dundalk Democrat dated Saturday 26 April 1941):
"In the past, and probably in the present, too, a number of them did not see eye to eye with us politically, but they are our people – we are one and the same people – and their sorrows in the present instance are also our sorrows; and I want to say to them that any help we can give to them in the present time we will give to them whole-heartedly, believing that were the circumstances reversed they would also give us their help whole-heartedly ..."
Frank Aiken, the Irish Minister for the Co-ordination of Defensive Measures was in Boston, Massachusetts at the time. He gave an interview saying: "the people of Belfast are Irish people too"
I wouldn’t expect it to be. If I visit a members club I don’t expect to be treated like a member
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-deal-blocks-life-saving-cancer-drug-in-northern-ireland-7t8w5nr8m
Of course. I'm not suggesting you don't understand. Just pointing out the particular relationship we have.
Much as we may compare it to others, it's complicated.
Get the blinkers of flex.
could any of you republicans put him right? I know how you like accuracy :)
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/not-fair-to-orangemen-1.210221%3fmode=amp
Should you tell the Times that they're wrong on osimertinib or will I?
Have you any actual examples?
Looks like you are correct on that one.
What about the vaccines for COVID? Would we have got them same time as gb had all grace periods ended?
It is Unionists that seem to have an issue with 'how the UK works'. Didn't Rees Mogg have to educate one of your MPs recently in 'how it works' in relation to the Irish language?
You want me to speculate on something hypothetical?
You said there were 2000 medicines that NI was going to be deprived of because of the NIP. You don't seem to be able to name one of them!
So confident that you felt protests in Dublin were necessary to deal with a decision made by your British government?!
Protests growing in number.
🇬🇧 Jolene Bunting 🇬🇧 on Twitter: "ANTI-EU RESISTANCE: A group of Loyalist/Unionist protesters hold a picket against the N.I Protocol for the 4th week in a row #BrexitForAll #NoIrishSeaBorder #EUOutOfUlster #JoinTheResistance https://t.co/rrEvNcSl8P" / Twitter
100% increase since the pic of 2 of then last week
@downcow it is now two days since you posted that 2000 medicines would be unavailable in NI directly because of the NI protocol. Since then, you have been unable to name one of those medicines so would it be true to say that this claim started by Downing St is actually a lie and NI is not going to be at a disadvantage?
I have the example of COVID vaccines. They were not passed for use in Eu but fortunately we were still in the grace period
So not unavailable and so not an example. Any others?
Can you explain this in more detail please?
Mark Samuels, chief executive officer of the manufacturers association, said the industry delivers high volumes of medicines at low prices and margins. Under the current protocol, drugs made in Great Britain and used in Northern Ireland will have to be licensed separately and undergo safety checks from December when a grace period expires. This will require costly extra warehousing, laboratory testing and technical specialists, he said.
”Our companies have been forced to put on notice some medicines for withdrawal from Northern Ireland,” he said in a statement. “These steps have been taken with the utmost reluctance, but our members are being forced into an impossible position.”
This is rediculous. It is eu and roi who are throwing out parts of the gfa.
maybe you could tell me what parts Uk are throwing out?
Ah yes, I forgot the EU decided that Britain would leave, then proceeded to unilaterally create an agreement that would dictate the nature of that leaving and then they must've tricked your parliament into passing it.....the dastardly sods even tricked your Queen into giving Royal Assent!
Then they must've infiltrated your courts too, when your much lauded legal challenge fell flat on its face.
What parts of the GFA have been thrown out by the EU?
You're still not mentioning any if the 2000 medications.
Your quote above is from someone who is disappointed that their medications from GB will be subject to rules as agreed with the UK. This isn't the same as saying those medications will be blocked from sale.
So same question yet again: can you please name one of the 2000 medicines that you claimed will not be available in NI as a direct result of the NIP?
Haha. That nonsensical ramble was easier than answering the question and telling me which part of the gfa Uk have thrown out? Which was the claim of the previous posters
So what are we disagreeing about.
can we agree that when the Uk give clearance for medication and the eu delay, because they are tied up in red tape from 26 countries, will NI be able to access that medication?
seems pretty simple to me and seems the COVID vaccines are a good example.
I find the bitterness towards the Uk in this thread quite interesting.
mosy of you want to see as many checks as possible imposed within the Uk by eu.
this is starting to feel like you feel jolted again.
yous are upset that ni voted to stay with Uk in 1921 and reject your advances. And you seem jolted again that Uk won’t stay in your eu family.
guys let’s all be good neighbours and stop trying to have marriage relationships when we just want to be good friends.
we will do all we can to minimise effects of border on island and you do all you can to minimise border in Irish Sea
it seems so obvious to me but I need to remember that I am not a rejected lover (in this context anyhow lol). I can’t do anything about your pain at the continual rejection. But it would be wrong to stay in a marriage when we don’t feel that way anymore.
Ireland is an integral part of the EU so the issue is what will the EU do about it. Quite a lot I suspect. Ireland also has a disproportional amount of representation for its size in the US. What will they do about it? Also quite a lot I imagine.
Yes this is all true. It makes you wonder why some brexit supporters cried "project fear" in regard to some real concerns. Perhaps you should take it up with the people who dismissed these concerns before the vote.
You can discuss that with the posters who made that claim. I'm not sure why you expect me to defend a claim I didn't make.
I was replying directly to YOUR claim that EU/Ireland were throwing out parts of the GFA by making it quite clear that Brexit and all the fuss it has created are 100% the responsibility of the British, who decided to leave the EU.
Since YOU made that claim, I'd like to know which parts of the GFA you feel that Ireland/the EU have thrown out (I'll give you a clue though, if it passed through British Parliament, then Ireland/the rest of the EU aren't responsible, that would be on your government).
For what it is worth, at the present moment, I don't feel that either side has actually breached the GFA, and I believe the NI Protocol is about as close as we can get to respecting the British 'red lines' around how they wanted to Brexit while still respecting both sides commitment to preventing a hard border on the island of Ireland.
Unbelievably belligerent Unionism is doing it again...falling for the Tory bluster. You have to wonder reallly.
Jamie Bryson, Jeffery Donaldson, downcow falling for Boris marching them up the hill and right back down again...again.
Could you tell us what parts of the gfa the Uk has thrown out before telling us what everyone is going to do about it?
