Smart Tariff Unit Rates

Tails142 · 19-07-2021 5:42pm

Smart meter arranged for install next month. Not gonna resist it but let's face it, smart meters are just a great way to extract more cash from us, they can label it as green, managing demand etc but if it didn't save/make the companies money they wouldn't be doing it.

irishchris · 19-07-2021 7:25pm

Mine is due for install on Wednesday morning. Plan was to stay in the 24 your deal I was in bit after receiving today's bill I realised flogas have introduced another increase. From 16c to 19.4c! To be honest the smart rates are looking better than that. Especially from march to October the majority of units I use are night ones and at 10c I may consider switching. Obviously by looks of it too the fit will be linked to smart meters.

Esb have a 210 euro switching bonus too which should cover most of the years standing charges

graememk · 19-07-2021 7:37pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117634055#Comment_117634055

Electric Ireland have a low useage charge, could wipe out any savings if you hit it.

Bobeagleburger · 19-07-2021 8:12pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633549#Comment_117633549

I was going to respond with a reasoned posts but..

Sensationalist eejits?

Conspiracy theories?

🙄

Bobeagleburger · 19-07-2021 8:15pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633647#Comment_117633647

Bang on.

I think a lot of people heard smart meter and took one thinking it would be a great thing.

In the context of renewables they aren't.

garo · 20-07-2021 1:59pm

It's a real shame because smart meters could be used to nudge people towards moving their consumption patterns in a way that is good for the environment and for the grid.

irishchris · 20-07-2021 2:09pm

Unfortunately with the standard meter plans moving to extortionate rates there is not much between them shortly. With electric Ireland and bord gais increasing their rates next month and flogas yet again increasing theirs this month. The days of 13c units are gone for now

SD_DRACULA · 20-07-2021 2:27pm

Yes but hopefully new cars like BMW i4 will have bidirectional charging and along with one of these chargers https://wallbox.com/en_us/quasar-dc-charger

Buying electricity will be a thing of the past (for 8 months) so the garbage smart rates won't be too bad. Could then charge the car during cheaper night rate and use all day when the bad months come.

80kwh storage battery > any lifepo4 project

graememk · 20-07-2021 4:25pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117637433#Comment_117637433

That's still chademo only, there hasn't been any standard set for bi direction DC on CCS yet afaik.

I dare say my setup would cost less than the charger/inverter and doesn't need to have the car at home

kabakuyu · 22-07-2021 1:33pm

Just had ESB out to install smart meter, told him to hang on while I checked with Bord Gas that I would still have my current day/night set up.BG advised that I would have to move to the smart day/night tarriff which is more expensive than the one I currently have and I could not switch back to previous plan.BG advised me to defer installation while I crunched the numbers.

Meter installer told me that he was told I had a meter that ran backwards (which I do'nt) and that was reason for very quick upgrade,he also was told by his superiors that new meters should not interfere with peoples current tariff plans, he was surprised that BG told me to delay installation, he thought all problems were sorted.He suggested that ESB may want to install a dumb digital meter instead of smart one.😮

I had asked installer to remove defunct night heating meter(not used in 10 years) and he called engineer for permission which was refused.I was told to make written request but it most likely a chargeable service.😮

So, no smart meter for me.

SD_DRACULA · 22-07-2021 1:51pm

Hmm I'm still with BG until 5th August, I didn't check with them about the smart meter that went in last week but was told you need to specifically ask for the smart tariff not be put on it regardless.

kabakuyu · 22-07-2021 2:14pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646514#Comment_117646514

Thats half the problem, there is no clear guidance with these meters, there is conflicting advice from all parties, I have no problem with a smart meter,I just want to know the cost to me.

They were very quick to try and install my smart meter,solar install was done mid May,I received letter on Monday that installation was planned for the future and then they knocked on door this morning, no phone call or notification.

SD_DRACULA · 22-07-2021 2:35pm

They sent me out a letter and said to call them and book a date which I did.

I actually had to chase them down because they misplaced my nc6 form so they weren't going to come at all.

You bet I would have kept my mouth shut if I had a meter that can go into reverse but I didn't so I said meh.

kabakuyu · 22-07-2021 3:15pm

Just had them back, wanted to install dumb digital meter, a cheap piece of plastic, I said no thanks.I live in older house with meter box six feet off ground, I would have to get ladder and press buttons to read my meter, at the moment I read it by just opening door.

irishchris · 22-07-2021 6:00pm

Had my smart meter installed yesterday. Flogas my current provider had increased my rate again this time to 19c without informing me until I received bill and noticed it. Ended up going with electric Ireland smart night rate plan. Day time rates are slightly higher but nighttime will be about 8c cheaper for 9 hours. No peak rate with this plan and once install new battery power, they do 5.9c from 2-4am where will charge them and hopefully use through winter during the day time hours.

210 euro switching bonus should offset some of the costs and will look again in 12 months where hopefully rates will have levelled off

Bobeagleburger · 22-07-2021 7:47pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117648051#Comment_117648051

What are the night and day rates on that plan?

MAULBROOK · 22-07-2021 8:03pm

I was looking at the EI 2 year tariff because of the hefty €285 cash back and then after one year leave. There is a €50 early contract leaving fee but i will still be a head by €235 which should more than cover the low usage charge and a few free bills, I'm guessing 3 bills free.

I cant see any thing in the t/c's asking for a refund of the cashback offer if the contract is terminated early.

Any thoughts gent?

MAULBROOK · 22-07-2021 8:11pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631578#Comment_117631578

If thats the case I want my mechanical meter back, yep the one that spun backwards when I was exporting.

Ah the good old days.

SD_DRACULA · 22-07-2021 8:16pm

Not bad, they do €315 if you do gas with them too so maybe worth investigating myself, I usually must get the cheapest unit rate out there but if they give you €315 credit.

I did see this: Low usage standing charge urban per year which adds €30 more to the standing charge which says if your average daily usage is less than 2 units per billing period so I guess if you have less than 120kwhs per 2 month bill? (60 days x 2 kws) so all of us will probably hit that during the good months

Oh and €50 early termination fee per fuel so €100 for cancelling both

MAULBROOK · 22-07-2021 9:01pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117648619#Comment_117648619

I will call them tomorrow and ask the question, what happens to the cash back if you terminate the contract early.

Will let you know.

irishchris · 22-07-2021 9:29pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117648796#Comment_117648796

It's in their terms that if cease contract early they will debit the amout of cashback with final bill

irishchris · 22-07-2021 9:39pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117648484#Comment_117648484

Electricity unit price

Day: 08.00 - 23.00 ->20.27c per kWh

Night: 23.00 - 08.00 ->10.44c per kWh

Night Boost: 02.00 - 04.00 ->5.64c per kWh

idc · 22-07-2021 10:18pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117648619#Comment_117648619

I've seen people avoid EI because of low usage charge but realistically it will only cost 10 to 15 euro as at least 2 billing periods covering the summer will be charged and then possibly half of the two periods either side

irishchris · 22-07-2021 10:35pm

Yep think it is 5.15 per bill if you don't use more than 2 units average a day in that particular bill

idc · 22-07-2021 10:42pm

Are the standing charges any cheaper with smart plans?

These Night boost plans look appealing if I can offset as much usage then as possible!! Summer doesn't matter so much but in winter I'd fill my battery then hope it and what little solar covers as much of the rest of the day.

irishchris · 22-07-2021 10:59pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117649237#Comment_117649237

standing charger are the same on this plan as electric irelands standard day/night meter

Kewreeuss · 22-07-2021 11:27pm

the Night tariffs are for people with electric cars?

When would ordinary houses use it? When I go to bed at night only the fridge and the freezer use current.

Who else would use it? Thanks

irishchris · 23-07-2021 12:08am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117649418#Comment_117649418

Anyone with solar whose main grid usage would be at night. My battery system is quite small at the minute so any grid usage mostly is during night hours. In winter would have heavy devices like dishwasher running at 11pm . Also if have batteries in winter can use the cheap boost night rate to charge and then discharge during daytime rate hours

MAULBROOK · 23-07-2021 8:54am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117649569#Comment_117649569

Yep during last winter I boosted my 7kw battery on night rate and It proved very successful in bringing the bills to the lowest i have ever seen during the winter.

irishchris · 23-07-2021 10:33am

Ok change of plan I'm not going in the smart plan with electric Ireland and cancelled the switch today. Received email saying that smart meter wasn't recognised and they were putting me on standard plan with same high day rate but no night rate. Thought not having that for 12 months!

Contacted Esb networks and they said it can take about 30 days for smart meter to connect and test itself with Esb communication network so not too switch until that happened. Back on flogas high rate for now

SD_DRACULA · 23-07-2021 11:41am

Yes I was told something similar, that it "tests" the signal for two weeks or more, and depending how strong it is it can affect which tariffs you can go on.

Add that to the pile of BS around the smart meters.

kabakuyu · 23-07-2021 2:10pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117647227#Comment_117647227

Well, the saga continues.I just had ESB back out,changed out my analogue day/night meter(manufactured 1995) for another analogue one(man.2002).ESB HQ insist old meter has no "backstop" and my meter can run backwards(it can't, I have observed it many times)they also removed old night storage meter and clock.

I said to put in smart meter to finish the whole palaver, guy rings office, office says I can't get smart meter beacause I registered for night storage and they only doing 24 hour meter customers at the moment.He said I should not have been down for smart meter yesterday.Installation guy said they having issues with roll out.😀

JimmyVik · 23-07-2021 2:35pm

Im beginning to think that smart metering Irish style is just a way to obscure what people are paying for electricity now.

Like Medical insurance and mobile phone plans.

jkforde · 24-07-2021 3:33pm

due to get the smart meter installed soon and confirmed by email with ESBN that I can stay on 24-hr rural rate. we're with Energia at the moment, 6mth to go on 12mth contract. so when the MSS comes in, how will it work vis-a vis 24hr contract billing? the CEG + CEP (30%) is a simple rebate on the bill?

(apologies if this has been asked elsewhere in the general forum!)

irishchris · 24-07-2021 4:34pm

Don't think it can be paid unless on smart meter plan was the impression I got off Esb networks when talking to them this week in relation to my smart meter.

Where did you get the 30% figure for ceg+cep?

jkforde · 24-07-2021 4:52pm

cheers, so going to email them back and ask! (I'll update with their reply)

and isn't the CEP due to be capped at 30% of max. 4kWp output?

KCross · 24-07-2021 9:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117656337#Comment_117656337

The 30% thing was a proposal. Nothing has been confirmed yet and no one can answer your question yet as the FiT has not been confirmed.

jkforde · 24-07-2021 11:32pm

yep, realise this is all supposition...

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/advice/smart-export-guarantee/

This article says that the SEG in the UK is paid even if the home owner is not signed up to a smart tarrif...

eclipsechaser · 26-07-2021 5:02pm

Hi there,

I'm about to change electricity provider and I wan't to go with the most environmentally friendly company. Bonkers has 100% Green Electricty bside a lot of company tariffs but I was wondering if one company is better than the others?

SD_DRACULA · 29-07-2021 5:26pm

Im thinking EI with 18.82c/kwh and €210 cashback and Flogas with 5.945c/kwh with €200 cashback for max savings BUT if (probably when) they raise them then the cashback will be useless so I'm torn between that and SSE dual fuel that has 15.36c/kwh and 4.23c/kwh

mondeoman72 · 29-07-2021 5:40pm

Just to throw a proverbial spanner in the discussion. I recently moved from BG to Energia via Bonkers. Around 35% discount off rates (I think), Rang Energia last week asking could I claim anything else. Level pay, smart electric meter discounts, etc etc. The guy told me I was on the best rate and not to look at any others. I was surprised to say the least.

MAULBROOK · 29-07-2021 7:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117664324#Comment_117664324

This "100% Green Electricity" is bull shxte and dose not exist. It is imposable to have 100% Green Electricity on less your generating it yourself.

Find the best deal your happiest with and move on and please dont pay more because they say its 100% Green Electricity.

SD_DRACULA · 29-07-2021 8:25pm

I didn't even register the 100% green electricity BS since that's highly unlikely, SSE just have the lowest rates of them all for dual fuel at this time but I have a feeling it won't be long until they up them.

jkforde · 30-07-2021 7:21pm

so once the smart meter is installed, finally decided to rollover (pun?! 🤣) with Energia's Home Interactive smart tarrif (their 'choice' of smart tariffs is disingenuous at best, bordering on insulting) .. the Standing Charge is €30 more than what I now pay but the night rate is 0.11 (incl. VAT) and I reckon I'll be charging ~3 times a week (2012 Leaf 20kWh each time) to supplement the solar winter trickle, approx. €180 over 6 months of winter.. the day and peak aren't extortionate imho... this I think is cheaper than their EV tarrif with its huge Standing Charge of ~€330 and ~0.05 night rate.

.. all depending on night rate car charging usage of course!

irishchris · 31-07-2021 1:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117684415#Comment_117684415

energias rates slightly higher than that unless im missing something ?

this is what is on their website

Total Discounted Costs (inc. VAT)

day -17.17

night - 12.27

peak - 17.99

jkforde · 31-07-2021 10:16am

Energia Smart (rural) tariffs.docx

🤣🤣 they've upped their rates since I checked!

irishchris · 31-07-2021 4:20pm

Yep most of them have announced now increases kicking in this month. Electric Ireland gone up a lot from tomorrow too. The plan I was looking at going for with them is now 330€ standing charge!!!

SD_DRACULA · 31-07-2021 6:28pm

Yes EI and Energia are garbage now, only ones not increased are SSE and they said they don't have any increases coming but probably a lie also...

irishchris · 31-07-2021 6:31pm

Afraid not. 10% more from next month.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sse-airtricity-up-electricity-prices-september-5510531-Jul2021/%3famp%3D1

SD_DRACULA · 31-07-2021 6:59pm

Well 🤬

I'd like to see them lower prices like the BS they spew:

“We will continue to monitor this carefully and, as we have done before, will look to reduce our prices as soon as it is possible to do so"

Smart Tariff Unit Rates

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