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Francie, if you've ever had to work or deal with contracts - What Leo did was ok and not corrupt.
But again i feel this is wasted energy as i don't think you're here to discuss and more here to push an objective.
If it was 'OK' why did he confess to 'leaking' and why did he apologise and why is it the subject of a Garda Criminal Investigation under two points of law.
Discuss.
P.S. I have signed several contracts in my time and if some party to those contracts took it on themselves to secretly inform a party, not involved with that contract I would be suing for breach of trust and an abuse of their position. It would be untenable in any environment to do something like that.
Absolutely disgusting. Wonder what the gov defenders think of that one.
I can't understand why the HSE are doing this, the soup kitchens have been running for a number of years and now the HSE have taken notice of them. I could understand it if the HSE have a service set up to replace these soup kitchens and there is no longer a need for them. At the moment it looks like someone has had a word in someones ear to say that the pictures of the kids getting fed on the streets and the queues of people queuing up for the food is not a good look and painting us in a bad light so get rid of them or else some connected contractor has been contracted to do this at a considerable expense to the taxpayer.
https://www.thejournal.ie/soup-runs-food-safety-homeless-dublin-hse-5500319-Jul2021/
According to information you have 15-20 running but it was two that have been targeted by the HSE. Normally when you look into it the issue is either someone got sick from the place or someone has made a complaint. If it was the government they would be shutting down all 20 and not just 2. The owner mentions a "grey area" which is never something you want to hear anyone say when they are dealing with food.
The government be looking to resolve the issue of why these places have to exist.
An error of judgement is not a corrupt act by default. Stop lying about definitions to try and make something stick. If you feel that strongly about it, go post about it in the actual thread.
Again? First time I commented on him being corrupt.
It's not an opinion. Your issue is with the English language. Based on the English language, Varadkar behaved in a corrupt manner. He acknowledges what he did. What he did was the very definition of corruption.
Corruption definition is - dishonest or illegal behavior especially by powerful people (such as government officials or police officers)
We know he was dishonest. He's being investigated regarding the legality.
Corruption definition is inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (such as bribery) the corruption of government officials
He apologised for the means by which he leaked a confidential government negotiation document to his friend.
To say he was corrupt means you agree with the dictionary. That's not an opinion.
You have issue with the English language not an opinion.
Like the one where Varadkar only leaked the confidential negotiation document to his friend, the head of a rival union not involved in the private negotiation because Varadkar wanted to bring in the other union to the deal, a deal in private and confidential negotiations between another union and the Dept. of Health?
So you know when a company is in private and confidential negotiations and you pass the unpublished confidential document to a rival company your friend is heading, it's not the done thing and would generally lead to a dismissal at best, but likely some criminal breach of contract charge too, right?
The 'error of judgement' (FG dictionary speak) was abusing the power and trust vested in his office = corruption of office all day long.
Tbf it stinks of corruption....everyone saying it like
You goys have yous head buried in sand blindly defending this....same yous tried to cod people into think confidence and supply was anything other than a coalition.....yous may be buying what your selling,but noone else is
So, you think that it is absolutely disgusting that the government are trying to ensure that the food is safe for people to eat.
Would you prefer if the agency responsible for ensuring that the food is safe did not do their jobs, and people get sick?
The link that you posted does not support your statement.
did you lie on purpose?
Again another post that is not supported by any facts.
what is your reason for not being truthful?
Its sounds like nothing more then a stunt imo . Soup kitchens don't look good for the gov.
But I guess we will have to see what the truth is behind it.
It's been accepted by everyone except FF/FG/Greens, (most of them anyway) that government housing policy drives up house pricing making it increasingly difficult for people to buy. It's been government policy since the last government. Made worse by the recent sweet deal for cuckoo funds.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/house-prices-rise-at-fastest-rate-in-2-years-1.4620239
"Speaking to Newstalk, lecturer in Social Policy at Maynooth University, Rory Hearn, said that people were becoming increasingly furious about the Irish housing crisis.
‘This isn’t an accident, this isn’t something that just happened, this is Government policy, it’s been Government policy for around a decade to encourage global investors to come into Ireland and to buy up housing, to build it, to buy land, in response to the last crash,’ he said.
‘The problem is at a scale now, which I was warning we would get to this point, where you have a generation which is essentially locked out of being able to afford to buy a home.
‘What has happened is that the Government has essentially opened up the Irish housing property market to these investors who can get a tax break which the government provides to them.’"
As I already pointed out if it was the government why just go after 2 and not all 20?
It could be 2 for now, id be surprised if they don't start to target the rest at some point.
Agreed. They left a meat packing plant with a covid cluster alone.
So you want to have a discussion about things the government might or might not do.
If it was the government do you not think closing them down now put a huge focus onto them and bring them into the media? which is something they had not been.
Letting them run and out of the media is a lot easier. Everyone in government would know closing these down now would be a PR nightmare ....
Or perhaps they want the hse to so their dirty work. If the hse cared so much why don't they set up soup kitchens?
So you are complaining about the HSE not doing their job(meat factory) while complaining to the HSE for doing their job(asking the soup kitchen to get up to standard)
I think a few people are off on the wrong angle. People should be outraged but not because a soup kitchen isn't up to standard and is been closed down. They should be outraged that in this day & age we need to have 20 soup kitchens at all.
That is the bigger question, that is the one the government should be answering
Of course that is the bigger issue absolutely but closing down soup kitchens due to the hse kind of puts salt on the wound though if you get my meaning.
If it is not up to standard and gets a load of people sick then everyone would go nuts at the HSE....
I'm sure those who run these soup kitchens and give their time and energy into doing so try their best . Im sure the food is of good enough quality, if it wasn't why would they bother in the first place in running such an operation.
When it comes to food you can never be 100% certain. I'm sure there are people who have suffered from food poisoning at 5 star restaurants...........etc
The fact that people accept it as ok is part of the problem. It most certainly is not ok or in any way moral on a professional level. It does go on unfortunately in many facets of Irish work life but that does not make it right or just
First off the soup kitchens are not closed yet, they have been asked to bring the place up to standard.
I don't see me or anyone questioning the motives of these people or the quality of the food. The main issues seem to be around keeping the food at the right temp and no running water to wash hands,
You added the bit in at the end, no you can't be 100% certain but that is why food places have regulations to try and reduce the risk to the minimal level possible. Especially when serving the public. Unfortunately for the soup kitchen they are classed as a business and must adhere to those regulations.
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