Following ALL 3 scenario's shows we 'can afford it'.
Again jh79...look up what 'scenario' means.
Remind me again, what are the benefits for the other 2 scenarios?
https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/issues/unification/hubner_2015-08.pdf
Would be worth it just for the unionist fume alone.
Good maybe you'll actually read it now.
The 35bn refers to the third scenario. What are the figure for 1&2?
And the massive flaw in your claim. The paper doesn't cover any of the costs. How do you know 35bn means we can afford it?
When I 'recommend' Hubner to you as a definitive plan/proposal, you can ask that.
Which is fine but the discussion is about SF and their use of the 35bn figure. They used it as the basis for their document and claim it means (specifically the 35bn figure and therefore Scenario 3) that we can afford it.
Can i take it that you agree that SF shouldn't of promoted it as a benefit if they don't intend to follow the scenarios?
The discussion is about a UI, which nobody owns jh79.
Homeownership is about 66% of the population, so not the majority.
Health service stood up well all things considered and we know the issues around the health service, yet how will a UI fix that? You are making an argument for NI to remain as is, under the rule of the UK.
Oh, and your continued use of the word 'liberal' makes you sound like a Redneck Trumper
In all three scenarios, ROI benefits to a varying degree, though as expected the impact of unification is not nearly as profound.
In fact the taxes we'll have to pay for UI will mean people won't vote for it as shown by recent polls. Its all very well having a nice romantic view of UI but when it comes to actually paying for it no one wants it.
So no benefit really to ROI...but the NI benefits by basically having another country prop them up.
The whole thing is a farce. Far better to stand alone as a country and work out the problems than basically changing the rulers from the UK to ROI. But Francie is quite happy with that.
'another country'????
Oh dear. Not going to waste my time on you tbh.
You know well I was referring to this discussion between us today.
So I'll ask again, were SF wrong to use the 35bn figure if their intention is not to follow the scenario that is needed to achieve the figure?
This is the sort of fairytale nonsense that we are dealing with.
What public servant, North or South, is going to vote for a united Ireland that will see them rationalised? Apart from a few headcase Shinners with flags, the answer is none.
actually we've discussed this several times over the past few years on this and various threads and each time you walk away when you don't like the questions or the direction they're going.
You're just the sort of blinkered NI personality who don't care as long as you get your way and to hell with everyone else. And that's why most of us down in ROI want nothing to do with you. Even if the poll failed you'd be on here the week later screaming about a new poll is needed etc.
In what way do you envision public servants in the south being affected?
Most in ROI? (also none of us call it ROI...)
Nice of you to step forward and represent the majority of the country without their consent and with no clue of their opinion.
Have your opinion all you want, don't go claiming the majority of the country agree with you without any proof.
you mean like polls rejecting a UI if it meant raising people's taxes etc to pay for it?
Have a look and see the ones out there confirming it.
Plus I'm using ROI because that's the terminology they are using in the pdf that Francie provided. But I'm betting you didn't read that before getting on your soapbox.
And its a common theme across boards and other sites that people in the 'South' really don't give a **** about NI.
Seems to have an issue with 'other countries' too, which would rule anybody out of a rational conversation about these things.
What?
What SF statement are you referring to?
I am not a member BTW, I don't see everything they publish
I don't, Francie is saying they will be rationalised.
All the main plitical parties want a UI.
Are you saying that some of them just want to Unify and take on the excesses and waste in the two PS's?
'Subsume' NI, as it were?
You were part of the discussion on one of these threads when SF published the report.
Should any party use a figure, to support an argument, that requires specific actions if they don't intend to do them?
And I asked you to point me to a statement where they said this?
I don't know what you are referring to, in other words.
It'll take a bit to find the tweet but I will.
In the mean time, if PD said the 35bn means we can afford it, was he wrong to do so without intending to follow the parameters set by Hubner? It's hardly a trick or loaded question.
Haven't found the tweet yet but did find this;
Should he presenting this figure at conferences if the party is not willing to follow the Hubner report?
its obviously floated away off, above your head this whole thing. The hubner report was basically by many researchers ("Given the nature of the undertaking, this report involved quite a number of researchers who contributed to various aspects of the project. Kurt Hübner from KLC provided the overall lead." - from the report) based on the idea of brexit and the kind of costs involved - looking at the country the way it is currently.
Obviously SF got behind this - it is afterall outlining how a UI could do well for Ireland
You though are either being silly or you really believe that the report is an actual plan for a UI - otherwise you wouldnt be mentioning Hubner every 5 mins thinking you're point scoring.
The reality is that a UI needs a nationwide discussion before any costs can be really discussed and before there can be any discussion on jobs in the public service. To try to do that is just putting the horse before the cart and not getting the point whatsoever.
Agh yes...liberials through and through...the majority of people turning 18 this year,wont ever own a home,nor will most milenials.....some liberials still believe the market will sort itself,god love em🤣
Outline how wanting a utd ireland and the social changes,people would like to see,is argueing for the 6 counties to be remaining in uk??
Mate,the health service collasped,hence how we've had by far the longest running lockdowns and restrictions in the world,and still ended up needing to hire freezer lorries last january to store dead bodies ??
Its utterly brainwashed by propaganda to believe what your pushing here😂😂😂
Should the Hubner Report be used as a justification of affordability? As you say it's not a plan.
have you even read it? it outlines affordability if the south was to take over the north (which is the least cost effective way to do it) - but it never claimed to be a plan.
"To generate the results displayed in this paper, we customized an existing CGE model to fit the multi-regional case with 54 industrial sectors, 4 ROW regions, and representative public and private institutional sectors"
The point is that it disputes the bollocks that a UI wouldnt be profitable and that a UI - in its crudest form - is in fact affordable. are you disagreeing with the report? Have you made your own study? When it being published so I can give it a read?
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