F1 2021 Round 10 : Silverstone

Lets rewind slightly.

instarted watching this sport when I was around 10 years of age or so.

That was roughly 30 years ago.

I watched it because it was so unpredictable.

Cars failed and crashes happened regularly.

Now all we have is self righteous person winning 99% of races and the 1% he was bettered on he takes the other driver out.

I still can’t believe the penalty. How can a driver who single handidly took out the car on pole win?? It’s seriously fucked up.

A serious rule change is needed right now.

Two issues with today for me. There’s no disputing who was right or wrong in that collision. That the FIA handed out a penalty, and the opinion of F1 commentators who were drivers in their day saying it was Lewis’ fault speaks for itself.

But the bigger issue is the penalty awarded and its manifest insufficiency in today’s circumstances. For Hamilton to be able to recover from that and still win after the collision is indicative of that.

Remember Baku 2017 after Lewis brake tested Vettel who incurred the wrath of the stewards for a slow speed banging of wheels with Hamilton, and was given a 10sec stop and go penalty. How, after tipping you opponent into hospital following a 50g 160mph shunt, you get a lighter penalty than that in Baku is utterly shocking. The FIA need to explain this.

I think it all comes back to the penalty not actually penalising the driver that was found guilty of the infringement.

Instead they actually benefit significantly from the incident.

How anyone can say that because you think Hamilton should have gotten a sterner penalty makes you "salty" or "cringey" really worries me for those peoples mental state.

Yes, it was racing. But you put your competitor into the way, at 51G, into hospital and then celebrate is like it was some sort of hellish mountain you climbed? Is this the "still I rise" mantra he needs to feel justified?

Hope Max and RB stick it to Merc now and destroy them in the remaining races. I love good hard racing, but the hypocrisy on show today from Merc, Hamilton was laughable. If the roles were reversed, Toto would have turned inside out from the frustration.

Benefiting as well from an incident you caused over the red flag is flat out wrong. Change that rule, now.

As much as I despise Hamilton even I wouldn’t stretch to say he was trying to kill Max. It could have ended up that way but I don’t think he went into the corner saying this is it, I’ll get that fucker now, my 7 titles are safe!

That said the punishment in no way matched the crime.

For me there was intent or implied intent in doing what he did as he knew it wasn’t a simple overtake but any stretch of the imagination.

I like to see hard racing but this was poor judgement on Hamilton’s part that could have led to a fellow driver being seriously injured or worse.

The penalty should be reviewed in my opinion.

And then his unsportsmanlike behaviour should also be reviewed as that was an absolute and utter disgrace particularly from a holier than thou member of the paddock.

Having watched the crash a number of times I just can’t believe how they felt a 10 second penalty was appropriate.

I don’t think Lewis deliberately took him out per se, I do however, believe that he went into the corner knowing that either Max let him trough, or it was toast! A driver of his experience absolutley knows what would likely happen on that corner, and he was ok with putting another driver at risk over it!

New take, Lewis isn't the bad guy here. It's Pete "Bono" Bonnington. F1 put up a radio clip of Lewis asking "Is Max OK?" to which "Bono" rather dismissively said "Yeah, he's out of the car".

Once a driver hears that, its like a "head down" message.

I'm happy this has played out exactly as it has. Builds the tension nicely for the next couple of races 😁

It's certainly added a bit of spice to an already spicy season. DTS is gonna be off the chain next series.

I still think it's not deliberate. anyone who thinks hamilton did that deliberately on one of the fastest corners in F1 and hes going to carry on, its pure luck that hamilton didnt take his own wheel off. you must thinkhes an amazing driver to be able to pull that off

as far as the leclerc overtake, hamilton had more grip on those tyres and he was much faster in general than leclerc. so not really comparable.

anyway spices up the rest of the season, its one of those situations where hamilton had to stay in there and not back out, because verstappen would have had the psychological advantage for the 2nd half of the season

He didn't deliberately put Max out of the race, but he did deliberately leave him no room to come back in, gambling that he would be level enough for him to claim the corner.

It's fascinating to see Lewis' reaction coming to terms of being in a proper title fight. It feels like for the last few races it's like he's thought that there was always an external reason for him not being in the mix(RB better suited to city tracks, team orders causing him to lose ground, claiming suspicion over RBs upgrades etc), and on Friday getting pole for the sprint he looked so confident about his chances after the upgrades they brought. So when Max pulled away in the sprint he sounded completely exasperated, for the first time in ages he's facing a car and a driver that are just better right now - so you could see in lap 1 how desperate he was to get ahead of Max, which ultimately caused his poor judgement at copse.

I am really looking forward to the next race now and hope Max comes out swinging, it really feels like a fight that could go right down to the wire.

I can see the other points of view and I in no way think it was intentional. However, getting a penalty is supposed to be just that, seems it had no effect, you can say that's good driving etc. but wouldn't have been able to do that unless there was a red flag which Hamilton caused I'm not sure how you can say he had better grip than Charles either seeing as he was on older tyres, fact is he took the wrong course of action and the wrong line with a car beside him in front when trying to get by Max, Max went off and I don't see as Horner put it, the penalty matching the crime. I'm more of a fan of LeClerc anyway but that's how I saw it, was a great drive by LeClerc and I think he's as good as a driver as the other 'two'!

Can you just move on and have a debate about the actual incident rather than harp on about something that everyone else has put down to a wind up?

You asked for examples of the same type of incident about 8 million times (exaggeration) instead of just accepting that your point was made and moving on.

You need to learn to control the emotions, make a point about the topic and move on man.

The manoeuvre was of more risk to Max - we've seen before that front left to rear right, generally the car in front comes off worse. Also in this situation, Max is not obliged to do any more than he actually did. He gave Lewis room on the inside, which Lewis chose not to use to make it difficult for him to take the corner. Also it looks like Max wasn't 100% sure of Lewis' position at that point and assumed he would have been closer to the edge.

It was never Lewis' corner as Max was ahead of him the whole time, and he is the only one in that situation that has a complete picture of where both cars are - he was obliged to back out and give the line to Max, but gambled and lost(but also succeeded).

i don't think the driver causing the incident should be treated differently if you are allowing other cars to repair/replace.

THe driver causing the incident should be punished according to the rules by the stewards - beyond that they should be treated the same as any other driver, imo.

I also do wonder about people saying the driver should be punished according to the outcome of a crash or racing indient. If Max had gone into some nice runoff and rejoined the track, should hamilton have received no punishment?

I haven't commented myself on it yet, but regarding the punishment fitting the crime. In my view, yes the outcome of the incident should be reflected in the punishment! Worst case for Lewis was they were both out, which would do very little harm to his title race anyway… so taking a stupid manoeuvre like that was a low risk high reward for him!

Again like I said earlier, I’m 100% of the view that he consciously left his car where it was knowing Max was done for if he didn’t give way….. for me, that needs to be punished appropriately!

You should get a job **** stirring

Huh? I must have missed Max being given loads of room but not bothering to go for the apex and instead hitting Lewis' rear tyre at over 160 MPH and putting him in hospital in both those races. You'd think more people would remember that happening, or are you just talking complete and utter tripe?

Did you see me say that anywhere, at all, in my post?

Not a Lewis fan by any means, but he asked on the radio is Max was ok on his way to the pits when the red flag was raised, to which Bonno responded he was out of the car.

On the celebrations, however, yeah that rubbed me the wrong way. Sure it's his first win after 5 races at his home track, but the way he was carrying on it was like he was god's gift to motorsport.