You’re only looking at the glass half empty, this was a massive improvement from other efforts V limerick. We hurled them off the field for thirty minutes. We’re as good and maybe better than any of the other teams left bar limerick and maybe someone else might do a number on them in the semi with younger legs . As for putting in youngsters at this stage , just ask mike Ryan about it . Cathal Barrett must Be scratching his head as to what gets a lad sent off these days !
So what did limerick do in the game yesterday that sheedy hasn’t seen from them already? What’ll he do bar ‘work on shape’ ?
you clearly fancy yourself as some kind of expert, so let’s have it?
That's not how you've listed it, do you mean Bryan O'Mara?
You have listed 'O'Meara' at 13. And no Quirke. And you have Willie O'Connors on the wing. And Cadell centre back.
has anyone read brendan cummins in the independent today , he writes Liam Sheedy needs to follow Codys lead by using the young bucks early and keeping old heads to finish the job.
i stated before the clare that i believed starting 2020 this should have been our game plan. Sheedy since all ireland final day in 2019 has looked completely out of his depth.
he is not
willie connors midfield omeara on the wing forde, morris first line of defense.
Who is O'meara in corner forward? Why no Quirke?
i get what your saying but for me we need new blood.
for example, when tipp under len gaynor lost the munster final to clare in 1997, what did len gaynor do? the only thing he could do, make changes and he got us to a final. after that munster final gaynor chose brawn and steel over hurling brain.
i think we are in the same situation now, to come back from that result yesterday, Sheedy needs to be brave and choose youth over experience.
If we continue with the status quo Tipp are going no where this year. So why not start with both mcgraths, callinan, both mahers, bubbles on the bench and introduce them in the second half and let those players give everything they have for the final 35.
thank you - i meant to write morris , not bubbles
my thinking on here is clear since before the clare game. pauric maher, brendan maher, callinan and noel mcgrath, many would call our spine, is done. its not their fault.
He will have to have a serious think about Brendan Maher. Two very poor games now in a row. Seems well out of form and lost the ball for the first goal and let Hayes pass him like he was a tree for the second. Legendary Tipp player and I am reluctant to write him off, but I don't see how he starts in 2 weeks time.
Thought Paudie did fine yesterday. Conceded 2 points to Flanagan early on, but really came into the game then, I'd be persisting with him.
Seamie and Noel, I don't know. If its Galway in the next game, I'd be inclined to leave Seamie on the bench, he was struggled to get any change out of Daithi Burke for a long time now (a few nice flicks aside). Not sure about Noel, I'd be inclined to start him and replace early in second half, he is even struggling to find form, some uncharacteristic bad plays yesterday which is normally his strength.
Kennedy had a bad game yesterday. Was badly at fault for the second goal. Has he had bad games in munster before and come good?
Yes.
Analyses the game.
Goes into training on Tuesday. Works on shape non stop until the next game.
Dare I ask what the thinking behind that team is?
Why are you dropping Morris?
Typical negativity without a point.
Not that Tipp got their tactics right at the start - Limerick got their tactics wrong - wow hahaha
Gillane was bad against Cork. That's why he didn't start. But no, there must be some super negative discipline issue... fair play to you.
Reverted back to their running game - Lord above... - wasn't anything to do with pushing up on Forde or solidifying their shape or the weather or all three and ten more reasons. Back to their running game... wow.
what does sheedy do now
go down with his generals or try something different. for me we are better starting with something like the below and then introduce the old warhorses in the second half as required.
barry hogan, barrett, brian mcgrath, heffernan, kennedy, cadell, ronan maher, flynn, dan mccormack, willie connors, kehoe, breen, omeara, forde, bubbles.
I'm inclined to agree. For all that we might have learnt, we need to go into the unknown for our next game with our team selection. We carried too many passengers for too long yesterday and sadly some of those passengers have been some of the best players to ever wear the jersey.
Limerick probably have their best 15 now, and have Gillane and Morrissey starting from here on in (Duignan made a comment yesterday about Tipp having a superior bench to Limerick - madness, two All Stars sitting on the Limerick bench).
I think we are still in with a chance of getting to an All-Ireland, the team will lash back from yesterday and is capable of beating whoever stands in the way of getting to an AI, although I'd say if Galway return to form, we would struggle a lot against them. KK in semi would be beatable, wasn't impressed with them v Dublin and we have seen that the Wexford form line isn't much.
However I can't see us beating Limerick, if anything they will beat us by more next time as there is no way they will stay looking at us playing the ball around them like we did in the first half again, maybe if we got lucky with a red card, we might take them, but I think our best chance of an AI is someone else beating them unfortunately. Sadly the two teams most likely to do that are Galway and KK and neither of them can meet Limerick before we do.
‘…over past losses’
sure it’s a discussion forum. Of course posters will comment over previous games and speculate re future ones.
it’s a bit rich having a pop over being quoted yet you can’t help getting quoting others and dismissing any POV contrary to your own….
it got so bad a while ago you went through a phase of quoting your own posts to yourself
The craic with the club hasnt done Ger Browne any good. Hopefully its all past him now, but a terrible situation to arise.
i think maybe a bit. In fairness, those lads have been outstanding for us, but i thought after last year especially that more youth would be given a chance this year. Im flabbergasted so little have come through..... is it that Sheedy is too loyal?? Perhaps... But when it comes to senior, are they good enough? its hard to believe not more of them are.
Not just him though, but Bowe, Seymour, Ormonde, nowhere near that panel either. Its baffling how such u21 success hasnt seen more breakthroughs. You would think we would be in an ideal situation after 2019, but its far from it.
Lol, you are well able to tag others when you don't agree with something now in fairness so its a bit rich to be getting antsy when others are challenging you on your points. Look believe whatever the hell you want and knock others who are more realistic about our prospects if that gives you a greater sense of importance. Knock yourself right out.
Is Sheedy too loyal to his older players?
Why is ger browne not involved. Let’s cut the bullshit. He should be in the team last year never mind this year.
i can guarantee you if Cahill was manager. Ger Browne would be midfield
Re 2019 - If my aunty had bollocks and all that.
You seem to want to dawdle over past losses and fear the future. Fair enough. Knock yourself out, you're entitled. Stop tagging me in your posts though, cheers.
I don't look back, I'm concentrating on looking forward.
Ah stop, we are not. We could play them next week and it will be the same result. They love playing us. We've been their bitch since 2018.
What do we do? pick the same personnel and tactics. A similarly terrible record against Galway since 2015. Lost 3 out of 4 and were blessed to win the one we did.
Many people have said the same about Clare's 2013 All-Ireland win, but that seems to be fair-game amongst Tipp supporters in particular. What makes you think we would have beaten them in that 2019 final had they beaten Kilkenny given our recent track record against them? The more we play them, the more that theory looks out the window. It opened up for us in 2019, and fair play we got over the line, but we haven't even laid a glove on them since really.
Hammered in the 19 Munster Final, Hammered last year, and a complete collapse today. Also, beaten comfortably in the 2018 round robin.
sheedy surely knows change is needed. Well I hope he does.
brian McGrath cadell connors Kehoe Niall omeara should start from here on in.
time for pauric and Brendan maher Noel McGrath bubbles and Seamus to chill on the bench.
we will see what Sheedy and his brain trust are made of now.
In all honesty, we should have made a better effort to close this out. Yes, Limerick was always going to have a good spell, we know that....but we were slaughtered in that third quarter.
Embarassing from a Tipp supporter. Trying to devalue an All-Ireland win. Wow
The munster final in 2019 was a completely different game with a completely different scoreline.
We've never prised them open like today before. We're learning and getting somewhere. Might not be this year, could be this year, but next year is another year. And today was progress.
We're had them frazzled and we're breaking their lines. We weren't doing that before.
People who don't see that, don't know what they're watching and are just reacting emotionally to defeat.
This performance today was miles better than Cork's effort. We pushed a huge performance out of Limerick. It might bolster Limerick's belief and make them unstoppable, it might take something out of them. Lynch looked like he was carrying something. Who knows what will happen. The serious business starts now.
Much like Clare on Saturday, you can't dominate for 70 minutes. If there was one piece from today the management should have got better was the start of the second half, we really should have set up to restrict space in our own half. Letting them create space to run into is looking for trouble.
Limerick got their team and tactics wrong at the start. There must’ve been some discipline issue with gillane. The subs delivered for them. When they reverted back to their running game we’d no Answer.
nobody wants to be negative. I’m just looking at a 15point turnaround. Bar the ‘19 win over Kilkenny I can’t recall any of the other contenders collapsing like that over the last few years.
forde has definitely taken over the star mantle, fair play to him. Seamie looks gone as does Noel Mc grath.
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