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F1 2021 Round 10 : Silverstone

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Right or wrong thats the rules, red bull would do the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    disqualifing hamilton would have been over kill. he didnt intentionally take him out. he did wrong and should be punished but not that severly



  • Registered Users Posts: 650 ✭✭✭ricimaki


    Max's onboard is fairly clear-cut. You even see him steer left to avoid the impact. Max's radio afterwards shows he was clearly in pain.

    Lewis on the radio saying he is proud of the win. He afterwards claims to have been ahead at the time of the impact. How can he possibly be ahead when the front tire impacts the rear of the other car? Only Lewis could be "Proud" of winning that...

    The FIA obviously thought Lewis was at fault, hence the penalty. But 10 seconds, in a car that's much faster than anyone around him (except Bottas) is a joke. It should have been a 10 second stop and go. They definitely need to tweak the rule about making changes to the car during a red flag. It was an extra bonus for him.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    There’s no point. Same spoofer claimed people were suspended for less and provided nothing when asked for examples.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So todays lesson is if you want to remove your competition make sure you fcuk it to red flag levels for maximum profit.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I agree, but a 10 second penalty was far too lenient.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    There is only one person here that is saying otherwise, and they tend to go against the grain for the sake of it.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    So you're saying that you see no problem where someone who causes a red flag is rewarded with free part changes and a frozen field whereas those who cause a smaller collision with a yellow flag effectively will have to retire?

    The problem is the rules as it stand, effectively mean that if you are going cause a collision or take someone out, then it is better to cause a red flag than it is to cause a safety car. That cannot be right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭quokula


    That’s horrible to watch, seeing someone in pain like that and the guy who caused it celebrating. The FIA really should have come down hard or someone will be more seriously hurt next time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    That collision has done wonders for the sport because that race was actually boring as anything, but nobody is talking about the race now.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Still waiting for you to provide examples of racers being suspended for less than what happened today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,795 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    So Hamilton feels there is no need for Max to be so agressive, but for himself there is nothing that is going to stop him from being agressive.

    Suppose there should be blue flags all around when there are no team orders.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭quokula




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Yup - I'm no big fan of Hamilton and his off-track shenanigans, but the level of hatred in here is disproportionate - compounded with the people going around with raging hard-ons for Max.

    Calling it an "intentional punt" is downright idiotic, end of it. Nobody wants to make contact in Copse as you have no idea how it's going to end up; Horner saying it's not an "overtaking spot" is ridiculous (F1 drivers have ALWAYS overtaken at Copse) and Marko...well, "pathetic" doesn't even describe it. I guess some people really think Hamilton should be taken around the back and shot - or something like that.

    In any case, this was long time coming and it's likely not the last time. Every time these two have been near one another on track, until now, it has been Hamilton to be the one to lift off and comply; it was guaranteed that sooner rather than later, he would NOT.

    Now, Red Bull has a superior car and Mercedes clearly have some issues of their own with tyre wear and consistency (they couldn't even keep up with Leclerc in the first stint), so unless something major happens during the summer break, Verstappen is going to run away with it in the later season; But if him and Hamilton get closer again, expect some additional fireworks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,765 ✭✭✭Panrich


    That is a big accident and it might leave a mark on Verstappen especially in a repeat encounter with Hamilton. I think you'd have to wonder if he'll leave the door a little bit more open the next time and it would be human nature to want to avoid another accident like that. He sounded very badly shook up on the car radio.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hamilton is such a loathsome individual. I really can't stand the entire act that is his 'personality' these days.

    For me, he wasn't even close to being on the apex of the corner, and had he been then Max was giving him more than enough room. That said, Toto just said it's nothing to do with hitting the apex, it's to do with owning the corner, which Lewis clearly did?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Indeed, if it hadn't have been red flagged, Hamilton probably wouldn't have finished.

    The rules of allowing someone to cause a collision to the point that the track is unsafe and rewarding them with a free change of parts is something that is very wrong. It literally says if you do risk hitting someone and damaging your car, it's best to do it in a way that will cause the track to be deemed too unsafe to continue since that way you can undo the damage you caused to your own car.

    I'm not saying that is what Hamilton did or wanted to do today, but a high speed and dangerous sport like F1 shouldn't have rules like this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭quokula


    Hard to imagine he could have left the door any more open though, Hamilton had about two car widths from the apex and didn’t use that space. He was also way behind - his front wheel only in line with Verstappens rear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    But he stood to gain more than any other driver on the grid if something happened to Max. As it happened, he benefited massively as a direct result of an accident he caused. It's not right on any level.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Red Bulls would be best immediately heading for the run off and leaving Hamilton the whole road.


    Lewis was very good at spinning Albon if Albon dared get within range.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Nah. You’re just plucking them out of thin air. You don’t genuinely believe any of those weren’t as bad as what happened today.

    You think causing an incident which impacted several cars and nearly took Alonso’s head off wasn’t as bad as this?

    You think having no spatial awareness of what’s going on around you and sending a car flipping on top of another one wasn’t as bad as this?

    You’re chatting absolute brown here. Hamilton under-steered into Verstappen but you have it in your head that Hamilton tried to kill him.

    You can make the point without the exaggerated horse-**** you’re spouting here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Zookey123


    Im actually loving all these salty posters. Max is the most aggressive driver on the grid and has pushed Lewis off at least 3 times this season. Lewis usually back off when max dives in. Anyways just 8 points in it now looking forward to Hungary!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    you cant peopalise based on what you gain . you can only go on what happened.

    everything he gained was more from a free pit stop to change the broken parts and then a very lenient penalty



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭quokula


    Yeah I don’t understand why so many people are acting like this isn’t entirely Hamilton’s modus operandi when people actually race him. He did it with Rosberg plenty of times but Nico was generally compliant and jumped off the road - they collided when he didn’t. And back in his McLaren days he had more incidents than you can count with people like Webber and Massa.

    The big difference is this is the first time I can recall him doing it at such a high speed corner, which put his rival in the hospital.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,141 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Understeer?


    Maybe LH went in too hot. As his father says, don't expect Lewis to ease off the gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Not the first time Hamilton has benefitted hugely during a red flag this season…. Didn’t he go into the gravel and damage his front wing in Imola? And get to both repair the damage, and unlap himself because if the Bottas/Russel bump which happened seconds later.


    What I see from this season so far is that Merc have had some massive slices of luck, while at the same time the real bad luck has hit RB…. Yet at the summer break RB still lead both the drivers and constructors championship!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭quokula


    Every time I see the replay and see that tyre head towards Max Verstappen’s head I am so thankful for the halo. Amazing that some people didn’t want it for aesthetic reasons, this isn’t the first time it had likely saved a life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Even the commentary described it as a stop go, saying it would cost him 30 seconds.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    It wasn't a stop go penalty. Just a 10 second penalty. Totally different things.



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