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The Other Pandemic - Cocaine

  • 16-07-2021 11:38pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭


    Rampant in communities all over the country.

    Has become the norm for young people.

    What are the long term consequences for society or will it be grand?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    I'm not sure that there'll be long term consequences for society. It's been quite common for a long time, but I still think its hyperbole to call it the norm for younger people. Yes they may, are, exposed to it and see it among their peers but most still don't partake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    where's the coke vaccine then, eh?



  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Thank god i don't move in those circles. Haven't seen anyone snort coke since my late 20's and im close to 50 now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Hoboo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,811 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    young coke heads started drinking in my local about 6 years ago... this pub was historically 100% safe, very comfy and well ran, even a bit or very upmarket , they had bouncers at the weekends all be as a deterrent for the younger folk going to the disco bar upstairs but they were rarely called upon...

    that changed, I asked the manager why.... he said “cocaine, they don’t give a fûck on that stuff “. Two bouncers became four at weekends and using the bathroom it became common to see white powder residue on the black cistern in the cubicle...not two fûcks given...

    evidently the ‘core’ of the problem numpty coke heads were barred over time as a few of the old regulars including ex Gardai were complaining both to management and to current Gardai who were starting to visit occasionally....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    It really is astonishing the level of use out there , I know one dealer that’s suffering from work related stress he’s so busy



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Any excuse to be offended. Let people enjoy themselves



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    That almost makes me laugh, pubs sell alcohol which kills more people than cocaine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Yeah im sure the drug mules, the people getting their heads sawn off in Mexico by the cartels, the communities destroyed by drugs are really enjoying themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Seriously who cares?

    The whinging is about the effects on local communities. Farcical."Pandemic"...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    I care. Hence i don't partake in taking it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    The neurotoxicity effects of cocaine would be the major concern in anyone that is heavily partaking in the substance. Taking the substance in high levels attacks the central nervous system and does serious damage to it. You have testimony of people who use high grade cocaine claiming they experience 'flashes', this is probably them experiencing these neurological attacks. So down the line people could be actually ingesting a substance that could very well trigger various central nervous system diseases, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's etc. On the other hand, the levels of cocaine circulating in Ireland aren't supposed to be of a high grade or high quality whatsoever, but if you do enough of it the balance is probably the same.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There’s another, more serious epidemic. Syphilis. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40339112.html


    “A syphilis outbreak has been declared by the HSE, with sexual health clinics seeing a rise in cases and requests for testing kits. 

    Almost one in 10 cases are in the Cork/Kerry region, followed by the Mid-West region of Limerick, Clare and Tipperary North, with 4% of all cases. The remainder are in the Dublin, Kildare, Wicklow region. 

    A national outbreak control team, with members from the HSE and NGOs, is working to tackle the crisis. “



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,387 ✭✭✭mikethecop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Makes sense, clean you bank account out get into debt for a drug that makes your Mickey smaller and turns you into a cheesey gameshow host



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,811 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    maybe that’s because alcohol is consumed in millions of multiples more then cocaine is.

    if pubs sold cocaine, or even supermarkets, youd see carnage on a scale that alcohol wouldn’t even touch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,507 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    @Tomaldo tell us again about how all those successful, rich and famous cocaine users prove that the drug is not dangerous and should be legalised - just in case we didn't get it the first twenty times.

    One-trick pony much?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    That may well be true, but alcohol has quality control and hygiene to adhere to, cocaine production does not. How do you know there would be more carnage, will u lend me ur crystal ball.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    That's one trick more than you so. Even if I said it a thousand times a lot of prohibitionists still wouldn't believe it, they appear to be brainwashed by the anti-drug rubbish that never gets challenged by an incompetent media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,811 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    awwww, I don’t have a crystal ball but you don’t need one... the internet and various credible sources grounded in suitable experience and expertises speak about the relationship between cocaine and violence, cocaine and health etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    People don't take coke 'cos they think it's good for their health. As for the minority of coke users who become violent they're usually also taking alcohol at the same time. These credible sources wouldn't happen to include people like Chris Luke, Grainne Kenny or Joe Duffy, would they, 3 of the most ardent prohibitionists I've ever heard, I never agree with any of them on the subject of coke.or any other drug.



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    What's the attraction to coke?

    I get the social attraction to alcohol. Sitting around, great craic, good buzz, chat shite etc.

    Coke, into a cubicle, up the nose and back to the group again. Just don't get the social attraction to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 803 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Coke usage in Ireland is the same as every other country in Europe. Cocaine is very common/popular in Dublin and it’s socially accepted but it’s not a “pandemic” or epidemic by any means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,283 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke



    Gives you an extra buzz, perks you up and for me, it used to allow me to keep drinking well passed my usual retiring time, but not get mouldy drunk. Everyone is different, but it's mainly for the buzz. It's like trying to explain why weed is great to someone who has never smoked weed. Hard to explain because it can affect people differently. It's not that it's a social thing, but it can enhance social events. Until people take too much, then it turns the social event into a nightmare.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    Well, Ringo Starr celebrated his 81st birthday a few days ago, Macca, Jagger and Keef are still alive in their late seventies, so it seems u don't get it. Also I don't rely on tricks re this topic, I just post facts that that can be googled for veracity unlike prohibitionists. I use their names so boards or myself can't be sued for libel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    On top of all that, doesn't the buzz last 30 minutes or something? Seems a waste of time and money, as well as disastrous to one's health given that it sobers people up to drink continuously. So the negative physical effects of both compound.



  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Coke. Truly a drug for stupid people. Whatever about the harm it can do to the muppets who consume it, the hidden costs are immense. Take coke? You’re a scumbag. Simple as that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    If ur so concerned about those victims in Mexico, then why don't u want prohibition to end immediately instead of lecturing coke users on their so-called lack of morality. Also could u name these communities in Ireland that are destroyed by coke and in what way. Foxrock is a community and I believe some residents from there like the odd line, the last time I looked it was one of the most expensive places in Ireland to buy a property. I'm from a council estate in Dublin and I know many people from there who took it, but it didn't destroy that place either.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    ha ha I hate repeating myself, do u think William Shakespeare or Einstein were stupid or Paul McCartney and Keith Richards. Scumbag, they used to say that about single women who wanted to have a different type of fun and the brainwashed puritans of that era thought the Magdalene Laundries were a good idea. Were you looking in the mirror when u typed that post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I know you're being facetious but there is a coke vaccine in development. Once you receive inoculation cocaine will no longer trigger the reward receptors in the brain rendering it pointless.


    https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2020/02/duke-university-cocaine-vaccine-far-fetched-addiction-researchers



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    Buried, not everyone wants to live til they're 100, my late father had Alzheimers and the only drug he took was alcohol.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    So ur a scumbag if u enjoy yourself by doing something that doesn't affect u or anybody else. If I rob someone's house, then yes, I am a scumbag but if I snort coke, I'm not 'cos it doesn't affect anybody adversely.



  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tomaldo, you're neither a lauded playwright or a brilliant mathematician and physicist, a talented songwriter or a rock legend. You're posting on Boards at 1:30 in the morning arguing that taking cocaine isn't a stupid thing to be doing. Now I'll accept that not everyone who takes cocaine is an idiot under normal circumstances, but I think it's fair to say that there's a whole load of idiots who like to take cocaine and think they're smarter than they really are.

    I think it's also pretty common to find that those who most vocally support the consumption of Class A narcotics for recreational purposes, ignoring the cost to the people and communities caught up in the drug trade from end-to-end, are usually some of the biggest scumbags one will encounter. They're pretty easy to recognise. They're the ones who think taking cocaine is okay. There may be a spectrum of sorts, but it's essentially a spectrum of scumbags, from just a bit of a scumbag all the way to a full blown scumbag.



  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, the way this works is that if you snort cocaine, you're a scumbag. If you think it doesn't adversely effect anybody, you're an idiot:


    TABLE: Colombia Drug War Human Toll – 1958-2013

    Total Number of Victims 

    Casualties (0f which fighters: 40,787)  218,094                    

    Civilians killed  177,307

    People abducted    27,023

    Victims of enforced disappearances    25,007

    Victims of anti-personnel mines    10,189

    People displaced total(low/high estimates: 4,744,046–5,712,506) 5,350,000

    Children displaced2,300,000

    Children killed    45,000

    Missing children (since 1985)      8,000


    https://impakter.com/cocaine-hidden-cost/



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  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Without even getting into the evil supply chain and the ethics of that (which should be enough to put anyone off), I've watched regular use of it turn decent people into fulltime ar5eholes. I think it fecks up people's personalities in seriously damaging ways.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    u can't be a Clever Trevor if u don't know the difference between Affect and Effect, one is a verb, the other is a noun, u mixed the 2 up. Secondly ur stats enhance my argument for legalization but u forgot to mention Mr Escobar, he was killed over a quarter century ago, but cocaine is still here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    I agree "The Evil Supply Chain" that's exactly why it should be legalized and who are you to say users are ar5eholes. IMO people who say that are what Del Boy might say are 24 carat AHoles. How did it affect McCartney's personality, he is a God.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Pointing to popular entertainers as some sort of defense of cocaine use is pretty weak, IMO. What about the hundreds of thousands of medicore musicians that take cocaine and fail to achieve much success? Is their experience not instructive?

    You need to up your game and invoke the likes of Freud (so that I can say 'well now we know why he thought sexuality was the central force guiding the human psyche').



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    So is fast food, but apparently coke is the devil here.

    It’s not like anyone is being forced to take it.

    And I do not care about the production/ supply chain casualties. These countries would do anything to serve the demand of the industrialised nations. If it wasn’t coke it’d be something else and they would still destroy each other. Human nature.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    People who snort coke are usually some of the thickest fools you will come across in the country. They believe they are interesting when in reality they take coke because they are in no way interesting and have zero personality to speak of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I don't really have a moral judgement on people who consume coke. I do think it's a bad idea to though. It makes you feel fantastic for a while but it is highly addictive and it does reduce your effectiveness to think deeply, to be patient,humble and selfless. Those attributes are some of the best qualities a human being can have in my opinion. A selfish life is meaningless, you are just a consumer like a cow or other animal. I find it's a drug that enhances selfish tendencies and harms delayed gratification which is very important for achieving larger life goals. It is also very difficult to track how it is changing your personality over time. Health wise it is obviously not very good either. This is all just my opinion as someone who has dabbled in a bit of everything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    For those that are taking coke, how do they know what they're taking.


    From my uderstanding, the quality of coke in Ireland is brutal. It's some scum bag that hasn't a clue mixing it.

    Granted if you were in Colombia you might have a fair idea the product is good. But not a hope in hell I'd putting any of the stuff in Ireland in to my body. If these scumbags cooked you a dinner, you'd throw it in the bin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    How would the quality necessarily be any better in Columbia? This makes no sense



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Sorry to hear it T. Look I'm not judging anybody that has the want or the need to take it, people can sprinkle it on their corn flakes for all I care. The neurotoxicity effects are what put me off from taking it, and I don't want to live to 100 either.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    I heard Eamon Ryan was delighted that the bags of coal seized by Gardai a few days ago turned out to be cocaine 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Because the further you get from the source, the more things subsequent dealers have cut it with.

    As a bit of an illustration, would you rather drink fresh water from a stream up in the mountains or the same water when it's in the Liffey?

    I've actually heard the cocaine quality in Ireland is very good as we're one of the first ports on the way into Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Not really. Even if it's sourced in the same country someone can corrupt the product easily. You wouldn't drink the cleanest water out of a crusty and dirty glass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    When are we having a lockdown for this pandemic ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    The likelihood of it being cut with adulterants grows higher the further you get from the source. It's simple economics.

    Sure, you could get some dodgy cocaine in Columbia, however the likelihood is far lower than it would be further away.

    Same goes for any drug. Most of the hash you get here won't be a patch on the hash you would get in Morocco or Afghanistan. By the time it gets here there's plastic and all sorts in it which had been added along the way. Nobody in Morocco or Afghanistan is smoking hash with plastic in it.



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