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WRC and other rallying

h3000

With the premature end to WRC 2019 I think it's time to start looking at 2020. Below are the current signed drivers/teams. Lobe and Sordo are sharing a car for 2020. There is a lot of talk that Elfyn Evans could end up at Toyota and some that Mikkelsen is off to M-Sport.

No. Driver name Co-driver name Entrant Car
4 Esapekka Lappi Janne Ferm Citroën World Rally Team Citroën C3 WRC
TBA Sébastien Ogier France Julien Ingrassia Citroën World Rally Team Citroën C3 WRC
1 Ott Tänak Martin Järveoja Hyundai Motorsport Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC
6 Dani Sordo Carlos del Barrio Hyundai Motorsport Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC
11 Thierry Neuville Nicolas Gilsoul Hyundai Motorsport Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC
19 Sébastien Loeb Daniel Elena Hyundai Motorsport Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC
TBA TBA TBA Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT Toyota Yaris WRC
TBA TBA TBA Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT Toyota Yaris WRC
TBA TBA TBA M-Sport Ford WRT Ford Fiesta WRC
TBA TBA TBA M-Sport Ford WRT Ford Fiesta WRC

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h3000

Breen & Nagle back in the Hyundai for Rally Estonia next month. I hope things go their way and they put in a really good performance. I'd say it could be important for next year.

https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1403260784638152705?s=20

Car99

h3000 wrote: »

Breen & Nagle back in the Hyundai for Rally Estonia next month. I hope things go their way and they put in a really good performance. I'd say it could be important for next year.

https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1403260784638152705?s=20

How do the part time WRC drivers make a living , is payment for a few WRC works drives per year enough?

h3000

Car99 wrote: »

How do the part time WRC drivers make a living , is payment for a few WRC works drives per year enough?

I’m not too sure but I’d imagine it’s partly through sponsorship. I believe Craig does a lot of development testing with Hyundai too so I’m sure that’s paid work. I really don’t know if a part time driver like Craig would be on a salary for rallies alone.

Oops!

Of course they are. You sign a contract, you get paid.

h3000

Oops! wrote: »

Of course they are. You sign a contract, you get paid.

Fair enough. As I said I wasn’t sure. There are many drivers out there who are not paid by the teams and only earn through sponsorship. I’m glad to hear Craig is being paid.

Oops!

Hyundai and Toyota are manufacture fully funded Teams.... Msport on the other hand have a very different business module.

afatbollix

Reportedly about 300k a year for Craig.

Him and Kris Meeke moved to Andora for tax reasons a few years ago. You don't move there for your normal wage.

Inquitus

It's a shame how far WRC has fallen since it's Group B heyday. I was watching the 1982 to 1986 seasons there last week, when the legend Michèle Mouton should really have won the Drivers championship but for a cruel twist of fate on the final stage of the final rally. The popularity of the Sport at that time was unprecedented, 100,000's at the roadside, in some places the crowds were just mad, some of the footage of the cars going through the sea of people is frankly ludicrous and would never be tolerated in this day and age.

Even with the demise of the Group B cars the sport still remained very popular through the 90's into the early 2000's with the likes of Subaru and Colin McRae, Carlos Saintz Sr. and Tommi Mäkinen. Hard to put a finger on when its popularity waned, it truly is a shame, I remember as a youngster studying at Leeds University going to 1995 stage in Leeds with the cars going off as the sun had set, was quite the sight. I also caught a stage of Rally Ireland up in the Silvermines mountains in Tipp very close to my late Grandfathers house.

Anyone got any idea when the support levels really dropped off? I remember that highlights were on BBC or ITV every night when I was a kid, those days are sadly over.

Oops!

Early 2000's it was all down hill from there. manufactures had seen what was coming.....

afatbollix

When normal TV lost the TV coverage. Tried to do an F1 with it by giving it to a commercial partner. They just wanted money so sold the rights to pay TV or only an hour on Sunday.

Even tho it's a niche sport, They still get huge amount of fans on the side of the stages, Unlike F1 you could have millions at the side of the road. In Wales it's only when the other 20 miles of forest roads are full of parked cars is when they stop letting people in. Spain they have to close motorways....

Eurosport is handing back the rights to ERC and the WRC is going to run that. I hope that means that WRC could end up back on Eurosport. Used to love watching the WRC each night on Eurosport. Life is too full to watch all of the live stages but I do watch quite alot of it.

h3000

The new “Safari” rally just kicked off proper stages. It’s going to be interesting.

h3000

h3000 wrote: »

The new “Safari” rally just kicked off proper stages. It’s going to be interesting.

Well maybe it’s a little bit Safari like after all. Car breaker. Big gaps.

Oops!

Going to be interesting is right!

Oops!

One Toyota and one Hyundai already out for the day, Another Toyota and a Hyundai in big trouble.... An and a 91 year old Polish man running at the back of the field in a brand new rally 3 Fiesta....

Oops!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLLX4p1DdNM

Local driver Tejveer Rai had a heavy shunt on SS3.

JMR46

https://twitter.com/joshuafolks/status/1408320076282015745?s=20

This is some shot. Flying past wildlife at massive speeds!
Good rally so far. Attrition rate could be very high.

h3000

Ogier, Neuville & Tanak not happy with the second loop so far. The rutts are far too deep and the cars a bottoming out. The second running of Chui Lodge is 12 seconds slower fastest to fastest so far.

Oops!

This next one coming up could take a victim or two..... They may get over it and get used to it and drive accordingly.

h3000

The cars on the previous runnings of Safari used to be a lot closer to rallyraid cars than to the tarmac or even gravel cars. They could handle the rough conditions a lot better.

JMR46

Another one gone ....Rovanpera got stuck.

Katsuta up to second, great craic

Wouldnt be surprised if he won it but my money is still on Ogier, he knows how to keep it going in any conditions

Oops!

Ogier ain't the problem, the cars are! It's great to watch. This could be a win for anybody. Anybody that's ever had a look around an older spec rough gravel World car can see why they were engineered the way they were.

h3000

Heavy rains just starting (in places) in the last 32km stage of the day. It could get very interesting for the later runners.

h3000

That guy has absolutely no luck at all lately.

Oops!

Ogier has to be the luckiest man that ever steered a rally car! Katsuta is having a brilliant drive so far (and been impressive all year really), would love to see him hold onto second.... but the wrong man is behind him with only an 18 sec gap in the morning....

h3000

Oops! wrote: »

Ogier has to be the luckiest man that ever steered a rally car! Katsuta is having a brilliant drive so far (and been impressive all year really), would love to see him hold onto second.... but the wrong man is behind him with only an 18 sec gap in the morning....

He does have a bit of luck on his side but he rarely makes mistakes and is always there to pick up the pieces. You have to feel sorry for Tanak though. He is probably the fastest guy out there now but with no luck.

h3000

More drama to kick the day off :eek:

Taka leads with Seb approaching very quickly behind. You have to feel sorry for Thierry.

https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1409018910599417859

h3000

Another master class by Seb on how to get maximum points with minimum risk.

I’m delighted for Taka. He seems like such a great guy.

JMR46

Ogier is just the master at the long game, not always the fastest but always the smartest. You have to admire the guy.

In terms of the Championship though, it's hard to see him being beat from here. He will continue to play the percentages for the rest of the year, focussing on finishing rallies knowing he doesnt have to win.

And if he does win it this year, he will probably come back to try equal Loeb in 2022. 1 less seat for someone else in that case!

h3000

Some ERC live on Youtube today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqkSyc_Pmo

Edit: It's mainly just the stop line with a few heli shots.

h3000

Rally Estonia back this weekend. Breen and Nagle in the i20 WRC for Ypres too.

M-Sport are going with the Puma for it WRC (Rally 1) car

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/ford-and-m-sport-reveal-new-puma-rally1-wrc-prototype-electrifying-hybrid-performance-breaks-cover