Lions tour might have been organised by whoever organised boards upgrade.
Bit of a disaster last night
Cookiemunster wrote: » That games tomorrow evening at 6.
Podge_irl wrote: » None of the Sanzaar unions would agree to that.
Squidgy Black wrote: » Hopefully the game this weekend against the Sharks goes ahead, just for the likes of Tom Curry so that they'd at least have a chance to be a part of a match day 23 on the tour. Can't imagine how gutting it'd be to be called up and not get to pull on the jersey at all.
fitz wrote: » What does it mean for the 36% then? If it's only effective against infection for 64%, then it was ineffective for 36%. There's no other way to read that data.
Podge_irl wrote: » 64% of people who would have gotten it will not get it. However nowhere near 100% of contacts will get it even if unvaccinated. So you could be going from eg 50% of people down to 17% of people. Also if a few seconds of contact was enough to catch it the whole world would have it by now. Anyway the Lions had to give it a shot for numerous reasons. Still time to isolate everyone and just play the tests.
Former Former Former wrote: » You have completely and utterly misunderstood those figures. Like, I'm sorry to be so blunt but you are spreading disinformation, even if with good intentions. 64% efficacy does not mean 36% will catch it.
swiwi_ wrote: » Suppose we’ll just have to leave vaccine expert talk to the doctors…
Leroy42 wrote: » Messenger RNA (mRNA) COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to be effective in preventing symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection The key word is symptomatic. People can still get it, and spread it. But like children it does little damage. So the boks could all be vaccined, but still return a positive test.
Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%.
fitz wrote: » From the Reuters article above: "Vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% since June 6, the Health Ministry said. At the same time the vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalizations and serious illness from the coronavirus." Depending on how you read that, it could actually be worse...with asymptomatic infections not being caught and factored in to that 64% figure.
Former Former Former wrote: » Like most posts that begin with "Wrong.", it's actually you who's wrong.https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm7013e3_w
Former Former Former wrote: » Where did this figure come from?
fitz wrote: » If 1 in 3 fully vaxxed will get infected on exposure,.
Former Former Former wrote: » Just on this, I don't think they are. Here's Rassie on 28 May, talking very much in the future tense...https://supersport.com/general/chat/news/210528_Boks_to_be_fully_vaccinated_for_Lions_series Most likely explanation is that some of them have had one dose, some have had two, some have had none so there's a mix of immunity statuses.
Blut2 wrote: » https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-drop-pfizer-vaccine-protection-against-infections-still-strong-2021-07-05/ This is the confirmed real world data for Pfizer, hot off the presses this week in Israel. Theres every chance the Boks who tested positive had already been vaccinated. Its nowhere near a bullet proof guarantee to not get covid - it just reduces your chance of infection by about 2/3rds, it seems.
sydthebeat wrote: » The bokke are vaccinated since the start of June.
Former Former Former wrote: » It's the CDC. They are quite literally the most respected authority on infectious diseases on the planet.
swiwi_ wrote: » Link please. Obviously it takes time for the body to create an antibody defence. But after that you don’t generally catch on pass on the infection. Vaccination is not just to protect the individual but also the herd.
Vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% since June 6, the Health Ministry said. At the same time the vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalizations and serious illness from the coronavirus.
fitz wrote: » You can't really trust that data though.
Cosmo Kramer wrote: » I don't think it does nothing - it does reduce the likelihood of transmission as far as I know. But not completely, it is still possible to get it and spread it. The vaccines are also not fully effective until two weeks after the second dose. Assuming the Saffers were vaccinated it's still possible that it happened too late before the camp and this may have caused the issue. The other problem is that the vaccines were designed to treat the original version of Covid. So with every mutation the vaccines become less and less effective. The danger is that a variation comes along that renders the current vaccines largely ineffective, even against serious illness. If that happens we're back to square one again, but that's for another forum I guess.
Leroy42 wrote: » Wrong. The vaccine does nothing to reduce infection. It reduces the effects. But a fully vaccinated person can get getbthe virus and pass it on.
Burkie1203 wrote: » CDC website Studies show that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting COVID-19. Getting a COVID-19 vaccine will also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19. Learn more about the benefits of getting vaccinated. COVID-19 vaccines teach our immune systems how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19. It typically takes 2 weeks after vaccination for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19. That means it is possible a person could still get COVID-19 before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to build protection. People are considered fully vaccinated 2 weeks after their second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, or 2 weeks after the single-dose Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 vaccine.
Larbre34 wrote: » On that, I agree with Keith Wood and others, postpone it 4 years and the subsequent tours to Aus and NZ accordingly. 21-22 is going to be a massively demanding season of new competitions and hopefully big games in front of packed houses, along with a 14 month season up to RWC23 to follow. The best thing would be to leave the Lions alone until 2025.
