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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

alchemist33

I've seen two main options put forward on this forum, (1) that he'll remain a political force until the 2024 primaries start up and the Republicans have to take him seriously or (2) that he'll be so mired in litigation that he'll have no time for politics.

There are of course other options for the next 4 years - prison, exile, death or ill-health (he isn't young and he's been under stress), no politics but a business success, emperor. But it'd be an interesting exercise for people to lay their cards on the table now and make their predictions.

Personally I think his political influence will die quickly after the Capitol fiasco but someone else will emerge in 2 years, once the memories have waned, to be the standard-bearer for the QAnon wing.

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listermint

notobtuse wrote: »

I have no idea... maybe forever. Never used the techniques beyond the 70's and don't even have the paperwork or the manuals anymore. But I remember what I learned. Never bought into holding someone against their will and never did that. Also didn't buy into the classification that being a priest or a nun in the Catholic religion was also considered a cult member. And believe what you want, I don't really care. But the Trump hatred crowd falls more in line with a 'cultist' than someone who merely says he loves him.

You'd didn't do any such Training. I know this because you have clearly no interpretation of what's right in front of you.

That says enough for me to snuff out your claim.

banie01

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I'd say you should be looking long and hard at yourself and your own existence and values as a human being, if you look at Donald Trump and love him like a God. The mind boggles. That's really all I can say.

Imagine, right wing "god" fearing Christian's?
Setting up a false idol of a craven glutton and actually confirming they worship him.

Really highlights a point I've read recently that those who shout loudest about loving the Bible and the Constitution, have generally read neither.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

I have no idea... maybe forever. Never used the techniques beyond the 70's and don't even have the paperwork or the manuals anymore. But I remember what I learned. Never bought into holding someone against their will and never did that. Also didn't buy into the classification that being a priest or a nun in the Catholic religion was also considered a cult member. And believe what you want, I don't really care. But the Trump hatred crowd falls more in line with a 'cultist' than someone who merely says he loves him.

And I'm the pope. Don't ask me for the paperwork though.

[Deleted User]

notobtuse wrote: »

How disingenuous of you to not post the full comment that was made… "Wrong that man is loved like a God by us who love him and loved ironically even more by those that loathe him."

The poster was not saying he is loved like a God, but merely loved. That the thinking that Trump is loved "like a God" is WRONG about those who love him.

I was certified back in the 70’s as a deprogrammer of cult members. That poster you criticize is not the person here in my opinion of who is in need of deprogramming.

I think there is only one tiny part of this whole post that is truthful.

notobtuse

listermint wrote: »

You'd didn't do any such Training. I know this because you have clearly no interpretation of what's right in front of you.

That says enough for me to snuff out your claim.

You obviously have no idea what deprogramming was. It involved merely getting a cult member to talk about their beliefs one on one without the support of another cult member, and you being interested in what they had to say and asking them about the reasons for their beliefs over and above their ingrained cult doctrines. Getting them to see for themselves it all really didn't make any sense. It was really just a method of getting them to start thinking for themselves again.

Tony EH

notobtuse wrote: »

Or maybe ‘the base’ has been more interested in what he has actually done as president to the good of the majority of US citizens, than what he says to rile up the opposition, what his home or business looks like, or the color of his tie. But why listen to 'the base' when one can post nonsense on a message board in hopes they'll get a few 'likes.'

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Look at the crowds at his rally at the weekend.

You say he is old news.

Nobody cares anymore.

Wrong that man is loved like a God by us who love him and loved ironically even more by those that loathe him.

True Trump Derangement Syndrome here folks.

Jim Jones level of cult worship.

SMFH

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

You obviously have no idea what deprogramming was. It involved merely getting a cult member to talk about their beliefs one on one without the support of another cult member, and you being interested in what they had to say and asking them about the reasons for their beliefs over and above their ingrained cult doctrines. Getting them to see for themselves it all really didn't make any sense. It was really just a method of getting them to start thinking for themselves again.

If that's all it merely involves did you just certify everyone here?

Tell me how

notobtuse wrote: »

You obviously have no idea what deprogramming was. It involved merely getting a cult member to talk about their beliefs one on one without the support of another cult member, and you being interested in what they had to say and asking them about the reasons for their beliefs over and above their ingrained cult doctrines. Getting them to see for themselves it all really didn't make any sense. It was really just a method of getting them to start thinking for themselves again.

You're more likely to agree with the cult member with this approach than actually getting them to change their mind.

I'd say they're likely to walk away thinking 'that guy was really interested in what I had to say.'

By that rational, we've all just deprogrammed you through asking you and the others to explain your logic for your ingrained cult doctrines.

astrofool

It all depends on your perspective, I'm sure Scientology has "deprogrammers" on their books for those who lose faith in Xenu.

notobtuse

astrofool wrote: »

It all depends on your perspective, I'm sure Scientology has "deprogrammers" on their books for those who lose faith in Xenu.

Actually... Scientology uses intimidation, not deprogrammers, for the losers of faith. But it does matter if you publicly speak out about Scientology after leaving, for the level of intimidation you will receive.

[Deleted User]

notobtuse wrote: »

Actually... Scientology uses intimidation, not deprogrammers, for the losers of faith. But it does matter if you publicly speak out about Scientology after leaving, for the level of intimidation you will receive.

Like that time Trump supporters tried to intimidate elected representatives when they stormed the capitol?

astrofool

notobtuse wrote: »

Actually... Scientology uses intimidation, not deprogrammers, for the losers of faith. But it does matter if you publicly speak out about Scientology after leaving, for the level of intimidation you will receive.

I am quite sure that the church of scientology does not call it's practices intimidation, which is the point of my post.

Deleted User wrote: »

Like that time Trump supporters tried to intimidate elected representatives when they stormed the capitol?

They probably called themselves deprogrammers :pac:

Yeah_Right

notobtuse wrote: »

He did things that benefited all US Citizens.

Like what? Can you name some?

salmocab

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Like what? Can you name some?

He lost

notobtuse

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Like what? Can you name some?

Sure... A couple of things off the top of my head... A tax break for all Americans. Pulled out of the Iran deal and reimposed sanctions. Operation Warp Speed to get a COVID vaccine developed and implemented. Expanded domestic energy production and made the US energy independent. Withdrew from the farce that is Paris climate agreement. Got NATO to pay $12 billion more for their security. Regulatory reform that spurred economic growth. Got some of the southern wall built in spite of constant democrat obstruction.

notobtuse

salmocab wrote: »

He lost

He might have... He definitely was not certified president.

duploelabs

notobtuse wrote: »

He might have.

Off you go to the Conspiracy forum with that twaddle

salmocab

notobtuse wrote: »

He might have... He definitely was not certified president.

No he definitely lost, they had a vote and everything, surprised you didn’t read about it.

notobtuse

salmocab wrote: »

No he definitely lost, they had a vote and everything, surprised you didn’t read about it.

I did and nothing can reinstate him as president, no matter what.

[Deleted User]

notobtuse wrote: »

A tax break for all Americans.

which actually lead to 10 million families paying more taxes.

https://thinkprogress.org/10-million-american-families-saw-tax-increases-under-trump-tax-cut-aa97d7aee410/

notobtuse wrote: »

pulled out of the Iran deal and reimposed sanctions.

How did all US citizens benefit from this?

notobtuse wrote: »

Operation Warp Speed to get a COVID vaccine developed and implemented.

What did Operation Warp Speed accomplish exactly? It certainly didn't do that.

notobtuse wrote: »

Expanded domestic energy production and made the US energy independent.

The US is not energy independent.

notobtuse wrote: »

Withdrew from the farce that is Paris climate agreement.

How did all US citizens benefit from this?

notobtuse wrote: »

Got NATO to pay $12 billion more for their security.

You mean the deal that was agreed under Obama?

notobtuse wrote: »

Regulatory reform that spurred economic growth.

The economy was average at best under Trump.

https://sudvarg.com/charts/index.html

Presidents have very limited impact on the economy anyway.

notobtuse wrote: »

Got some of the southern wall built in spite of constant democrat obstruction.

Good for him for wasting taxpayer money.

Billy Mays

notobtuse wrote: »

He might have.

Bless

salmocab

notobtuse wrote: »

I did and nothing can reinstate him as president, no matter what.

Well no nothing can reinstate him because he lost the election, both popular and electoral college.

PropJoe10

This thread is like an echo chamber of the insane at this stage. Absolutely horrendous.

Yeah_Right

notobtuse wrote: »

Sure... A couple of things off the top of my head... A tax break for all Americans. Pulled out of the Iran deal and reimposed sanctions. Operation Warp Speed to get a COVID vaccine developed and implemented. Expanded domestic energy production and made the US energy independent. Withdrew from the farce that is Paris climate agreement. Got NATO to pay $12 billion more for their security. Regulatory reform that spurred economic growth. Got some of the southern wall built in spite of constant democrat obstruction.

Tax break for super wealthy.
The Iran deal was a good thing.
The first vaccine had nothing to do with Operation Warp Speed.
Don't know enough about the energy policies but I'm guessing it involved a lot of environmental damage. And whatever those policies were, they didn't help Texas.
The Paris climate agreement was a good thing. Not perfect but a good first step.
NATO paying their fair share but I'm guessing that had zero effect on US citizens and that they're spending more than ever on their military.
He inherited the strongest economy in US history I believe.
He stole money from military families to pay for a partially built wall that Mexico were meant to pay for and that has been defeated by ladders and tools anyone can get in their local hardware store.

Any more BS you want to share?

notobtuse

salmocab wrote: »

Well no nothing can reinstate him because he lost the election, both popular and electoral college.

Trump certainly did not win the popular vote and did not get the certifications from electoral college vote.

PropJoe10

notobtuse wrote: »

Trump certainly did not win the popular vote and did not get the certifications from electoral college vote.

Indeed. He lost the election. Yet, continues to say that he won it. In fact, he's on camera saying about Biden: "How can you govern when you didn't win?"

The fact is, though, that Biden did win. He won comfortably. Trump is actually a serious danger to democracy and anyone saying otherwise is utterly misguided.

salmocab

notobtuse wrote: »

Trump certainly did not win the popular vote and did not get the certifications from electoral college vote.

Correct he didn’t get the certifications because he lost those states, they counted the votes and more people had voted for Biden in the states that gave their college votes to Biden. He lost so is not president.

Overheal

Yeah_Right wrote: »

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Don't know enough about the energy policies but I'm guessing it involved a lot of environmental damage. And whatever those policies were, they didn't help Texas.

The Republican line atm is 'Trump made us energy independent' and that also 'Biden made us not energy dependent.' their evidence they cite is the axing of the 8% complete keystoneXL pipeline, which had no metric bearing on our energy independence at any point. Nevermind that most of the effort the country put in was already mostly done before Trump took office, we were already a net exporter of refined oils and fuels with volume second only to Russia, and the third largest crude producer in the world, under Obama.

There's no data there to evidence that Biden has removed our status as an energy independent nation.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Trump certainly did not win the popular vote and did not get the certifications from electoral college vote.

So Biden won the election fairly and squarely. Even against the backdrop of efforts to suppress the vote at the USPS.

everlast75

Overheal wrote: »

So Biden won the election fairly and squarely. Even against the backdrop of efforts to suppress the vote at the USPS.

And trying to get the Ukraine to interfere.
And China.
And he used voter suppression.
And he lied prolifically.
And he contravened the Hatch Act.
And he still lost. Comprehensively