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liamog

Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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Black_Knight

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622461#Comment_117622461

"Fast" means 22kW in NI. 'fast' in Ireland means 50kW+

ted1

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622461#Comment_117622461

What’s the general consensus with chargers?

VW are going with 11KW AC with 100+ DC

skoda are similar but going with 50+ DC.

is there any marque still punching AC over DC?

AndyBoBandy

‘Fast’ charge points…..

so some garages are getting 22kW AC chargers…….

#progress

innrain

I think it is a good piece of news.

Looking at their locations

https://inverenergy.ie/our-stations/

https://www.amberoil.ie/locations/?location=1-3%20McCurtain%20St,%20Duntahane,%20Fermoy,%20Co.%20Cork,%20Ireland&category=54&radius=200

none are on the main motorways. So it is very possible to see some chargers on the Limerick to Cork route or Limerick to Galway. I don't really know these forecourts so I don't think it is har to narrow down possible locations. I wonder how the other forecourt chains will receive this news. Would Circle K bring their own at major locations?

PS there is no preview and one link seems parsed while the other one not.

zg3409

Greenergy has agreed with ESB to introduce fast and high power EV charging points at selected Irish retail forecourts operating under Greenergy’s Amber and Inver brands.

To start, 16 forecourts have been identified across the Inver and Amber portfolio and include a mix of company owned, company leased and dealer sites. The charging units will be rolled out in two-phases, with over half of the sites to be completed over the coming 18 months.

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These sites will include a mix of fast and high power chargers

Full article

https://changinglanes.ie/greenergy-and-esb-to-bring-more-ev-chargers-to-irish-forecourts/

Black_Knight

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117616384#Comment_117616384

"Ok. Emergency meeting! How can we still swing this as an 8 car hub? We were pushing our luck before when 1 of the cars had to be a Leaf and 1 had to be charging on the 22kW AC, but now we're screwed!"

"What if 2 of the cars are Toyotas?"

the_amazing_raisin

Spotted an E-Tron parked at the AC units in pavilions shopping centre in Swords not charging

Lazy f!cker didn't even pretend to plug the cable in

Shame!!!

innrain

I'd say it is still flaky. It seems that they are unable to charge 2 cars in the same time.

Black_Knight

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117611394#Comment_117611394

I think 1 of the units at Mayfield was replaced. Unit 1 (I think) has a new chargePointId. I think it was a bit flakey, as when the 350kW plug was being used the 200kW would show as faulty.

AndyBoBandy

A week off Boards and we get 6 new HyperHubs……

oh wait, the network is still rubbish!!

Black_Knight

Plugshare suggests a few have gotten over 100kW. 135kW the highest recorded

Kramer

Irishjg wrote: »

Good info and that’s kinda worrying Kramer. What car were you charging and on past experiences what speed do you reckon should you have been getting based on your SOC.

I had the Tesla Model 3 SR with a nice warm battery after hooning it up the M7 towards Dublin from Limerick :eek:.
SoC was in the low 20s so I should have easily hit 100kWs.

Hopefully Eamon will give them the go ahead to give those units the full beans tomorrow :pac:.

slave1

The annoying thing with these throttled high power units is they still charge the higher rate

Irishjg

Kramer wrote: »

So has anyone managed to get anywhere near 150kW from this hub, let alone 200kW+?
I only managed 60kW odd, when I should have pulled significantly more & have heard from many others also ,who seemed to top out in the 60s.

Good info and that’s kinda worrying Kramer. What car were you charging and on past experiences what speed do you reckon should you have been getting based on your SOC.

Kramer

peposhi wrote: »

Minister of Transport and ESB Ecars head of division to officially open the hub at Junction14 tomorrow morning

So has anyone managed to get anywhere near 150kW from this hub, let alone 200kW+?
I only managed 60kW odd, when I should have pulled significantly more & have heard from many others also ,who seemed to top out in the 60s.

silver_sky

Is it working properly now?

Black_Knight

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I'll be interested to see what cars they turn up in, what's the bet it'll be diesels :pac:

More interesting to see what price ecars put on the units. They had them all at HCP prices, even the 50kW CHAdeMO (on the HCP) was 37c.

the_amazing_raisin

peposhi wrote: »

Minister of Transport and ESB Ecars head of division to officially open the hub at Junction14 tomorrow morning

I'll be interested to see what cars they turn up in, what's the bet it'll be diesels :pac:

peposhi

Minister of Transport and ESB Ecars head of division to officially open the hub at Junction14 tomorrow morning

Black_Knight

McGiver wrote: »

Cool stats! And thanks for the UFC - ultra fast chargers, that's the correct term. :cool:

How do you coun the "62% of the time"? Some sort of peak/working hours only or % of time spent between 00:00 to 23:59 of every single day i.e. % of full 24 hours?

Full 24 hours. I check the status of every units socket every 5 minutes. Then count the number of sockets with status "charging", and multiply by 12 (12 5 minute periods in an hour). It's a bit rough given its every 5 minutes, but it should average itself out to be pretty accurate.

I only give 2 week figures because there's so much data to return I'd need a bigger machine with more memory to query that much, and that'd cost me twice as much a month to run... All for 1 metric.

I'll probably add those metrics to the site in time.
www.ecars-stats.com

slave1

ELM327 wrote: »

No they won't.
lower amperage on the charger combined with low voltage (especially on t he SR+) of the model 3 means that the ecars chargers won't give any more, and will likely give less, than the 145kW max that v2 SuC deliver.

Your right, I had somewhere in my head the Irish units were 120kW, they're as you said 150, brainfart

liamog

cannco253 wrote: »

I'm wondering if eCars could use that as some form of excuse for the extremely slow infrastructure rollout. If you take all the Teslas out of the entire BEV population in Ireland how would that change the overall stats?

Tesla's BEV market share in Ireland isn't enough to significantly distort the market, it was 7.84% in 2019 and 19.44% in 2020. So far this year it's 13.64%.
They account for a significant part of the BEV market, but not to the degree that it makes the standard CCS network unviable.

ELM327

slave1 wrote: »

Newer models (like the 3) will charge faster on the eCars 150 units as existing Tesla SuC max at 120 (apart from new ones in Cork) so there's that too.
Last time I saw a stat there are 2.5k Tesla's in Ireland so not a great part of the population

No they won't.
lower amperage on the charger combined with low voltage (especially on t he SR+) of the model 3 means that the ecars chargers won't give any more, and will likely give less, than the 145kW max that v2 SuC deliver.

slave1

cannco253 wrote: »

So the only reason a Tesla driver would use an eCars 150kW is for convenience if no supercharger on your route.

I'm wondering if eCars could use that as some form of excuse for the extremely slow infrastructure rollout. If you take all the Teslas out of the entire BEV population in Ireland how would that change the overall stats?

Newer models (like the 3) will charge faster on the eCars 150 units as existing Tesla SuC max at 120 (apart from new ones in Cork) so there's that too.
Last time I saw a stat there are 2.5k Tesla's in Ireland so not a great part of the population

cannco253

So the only reason a Tesla driver would use an eCars 150kW is for convenience if no supercharger on your route.

I'm wondering if eCars could use that as some form of excuse for the extremely slow infrastructure rollout. If you take all the Teslas out of the entire BEV population in Ireland how would that change the overall stats?

ELM327

cannco253 wrote: »

Is it cheaper for Tesla drivers to use eCars 150kW then the Tesla superchargers?

No. Tesla is cheaper, significantly so.

cannco253

Is it cheaper for Tesla drivers to use eCars 150kW then the Tesla superchargers?

MJohnston

McGiver wrote: »

The only objective stat to be looking if you want to compare countries at is Charger:EV ratio. Another one could be Chargers per km of motorway.

Each has flaws tbf, and as others have pointed out, you have to have some way of acknowledging the different geographical contexts of all the countries that are being compared.

I think Finland and Sweden (and maybe Norway) will probably always top any of those leaderboards, mind you, as they're all geographically isolated AND have an absolute tonne of charging points.

Of course it helps those countries to have had mostly left-wing, environmentally minded governments!

slave1

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Thankfully me and you are a bit looking from the outside with decent range and Tesla SuC, this time next year the Tesla's will be well served and taking pressure off eCars

AndyBoBandy

slave1 wrote: »

They could make the 150kW units as twin CCS and then take the CCS away from the 50kW triple, that way CCS speed would increase and CHAdeMO still looked after but restricted to a charger more aligned to the car's charging speed capability

I'd still leave the CCS plug on the 50kW unit. You'd be fairly pissed if you rocked up and 2 cars were plugged in on CCS on the 150, and the 50kW was sitting idle because it only had a CHAdeMO/AC on it!!

3 CCS is always better than 2, and with CCS cars outnumbering CHAdeMO by a factor of around 6:1 (and growing daily), it would be madness to remove any of them...