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Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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McGiver

MJohnston wrote: »

Buddy, if per sqkm is irrelevant, the absolute number of CCS connectors in each country is...I'm not sure what's lesser than irrelevant, but that :P

The only objective stat to be looking if you want to compare countries at is Charger:EV ratio. Another one could be Chargers per km of motorway.

slave1

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

If they configured the 150kW units as twin CCS, I'd be happy and call it decent progress (all 150kW units are beside a 50kW triple head with CHAdeMO, so by doing the 150kW machine as twin CCS, you're not 'doing anyone out of' a CHAdeMO plug.

They could make the 150kW units as twin CCS and then take the CCS away from the 50kW triple, that way CCS speed would increase and CHAdeMO still looked after but restricted to a charger more aligned to the car's charging speed capability

McGiver

liamog wrote: »

I place the failings firmly in the hands of the government. Charger provision should of been handled in a centralised manner by TII. A state wide planned network with operators paid to operate charging stations with a minimum capacity. Instead we end up with reliance on a subsidised commercial operator to come up with a plan.

eCars have a clear plan, but it's based on providing infrastructure with minimal losses, it's not tied to the government goal of 1 million electrified cars by 2030.

Yes, I Agree. Should've been tendered out, I suppose it wasn't properly tendered. Like the Swiss gov did - a recent tender for 50 hubs - criteria were several chargers per hub, battery storage on-site, other specs like ability to use any debit/credit card, costs were capped at a certain value, ETA was requested.

State involvement is not the issue per se, it's been done quite successfully in several countries in Europe, it's just the way how the state is involved and how it's done. You can't leave it to the market at this stage, that's impossible - EasyGo can't make profit as of yet and if you leave it to the market, they will just operate Dublin and the main routes and leave the rest unattended.
You can open it up to the market only once you have minimal skeleton network covering all population centres and main routes in place.

But saying all that doesn't mean we shouldn't critisise eCars. Else the Gov will be just hiding behind eCars claiming "it's not us who screwed it up, it was ecars [pointing at them]!". It's actually a very smart deflecting & neglecting strategy - offload it to a semi-state and get rid of any responsibility.

AndyBoBandy

McGiver wrote: »

How do you coun the "62% of the time"?

I think he's saying that 62% of all DC use is on CCS, while the other 38% is on CHAdeMO,

Yet the vast vast majority of ESB DC sites are still configured for a 50/50 split between CCS & CHAdeMO (with J14 being the obvious exception).

If they configured the 150kW units as twin CCS, I'd be happy and call it decent progress (all 150kW units are beside a 50kW triple head with CHAdeMO, so by doing the 150kW machine as twin CCS, you're not 'doing anyone out of' a CHAdeMO plug.

The current AC-DC upgrades are fine, but once done, there should be no ore CHAdeMO plugs being installed (unless it's in a J14/Mayfield type of hyper hub setup, but even then, should be no more than 2 (one of which would be on a 50kW unit)).

MJohnston

McGiver wrote: »

Per sq km is irrelevant, you would have to calculate also population density, traffic flows etc etc, that's for a disertation paper...if you ask me.

Buddy, if per sqkm is irrelevant, the absolute number of CCS connectors in each country is...I'm not sure what's lesser than irrelevant, but that :P

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

eCars lack any clear plan or vision, and if they have any vision, it doesn't add up to the the Gov plans and policies (1m EVs by 2030 etc) - there's no strategy, I'd blame the gov more than eCars. eCars execute what they've been tasked with, Gov should set the strategy and bring in policies in line with it.

I place the failings firmly in the hands of the government. Charger provision should of been handled in a centralised manner by TII. A state wide planned network with operators paid to operate charging stations with a minimum capacity. Instead we end up with reliance on a subsidised commercial operator to come up with a plan.

eCars have a clear plan, but it's based on providing infrastructure with minimal losses, it's not tied to the government goal of 1 million electrified cars by 2030.

McGiver

Black_Knight wrote: »

June Update
CCS/CHAdeMO split
My stats say, over the last 2 weeks:
CCS the other 62.3% of the time (19.10 weeks of use)

Cool stats! And thanks for the UFC - ultra fast chargers, that's the correct term. :cool:

How do you coun the "62% of the time"? Some sort of peak/working hours only or % of time spent between 00:00 to 23:59 of every single day i.e. % of full 24 hours?

McGiver

UID0 wrote: »

CCS Connectors per person per square km isn't an appropriate measurement though. It doesn't take into account that countries in mainland Europe have a much higher level of traffic flowing through them than we have here. Czechia has to cater for traffic flowing from Germany to Austria if they are travelling through Czechia. This gives a greater incentive for commercial operators to set up charging facilities.

Yes, Czechia and Slovakia are transit countries but...The main transit CZ motorway (D1) doesn't have the most CCS chargers. Most of the recent growth of CCS connectors (from 100 to 500) has been elsewhere.

About 400 (75%) CCS in CZ are installed/run by the three large electricity providers (CEZ, EON and PRE), so situation very similar to ESB here, just that in Ireland only ESB are installing chargers while Energia, SSE or others not. Private operators are only a recent addition, their share is maybe 20%, and this includes 20 CCS by Lidl :cool: Lidl in CZ install the classical triple Efacec heads unlike TESCO/Lidl here...

UID0 wrote: »

The two countries on your list that would be closest to Ireland in terms of usage profile would be Finland & Sweden, and you've adjusted their figures to account for uninhabited areas.

Finland and Sweden are much larger than Ireland, massive countries, completely incomparable. Yes, their population density is similar, but that's about it. In Finland, most of the chargers are concentrated in the south, very little in the north. Sweden seems to liter the whole place with chargers including the Artctic, not sure how they do that...but again most of the chargers are on motorways near/between population centres as in Finland.

In the end, what counts is the Charger:EV ratio, and that's been declining in Ireland for last several years.
eCars lack any clear plan or vision, and if they have any vision, it doesn't add up to the the Gov plans and policies (1m EVs by 2030 etc) - there's no strategy, I'd blame the gov more than eCars. eCars execute what they've been tasked with, Gov should set the strategy and bring in policies in line with it.

Black_Knight

Black_Knight wrote: »

May Update
CCS/CHAdeMO split
My stats say, over the last 2 weeks:
CHAdeMO has been occupied 38.6% of the time. (9.20 weeks of use)
CCS the other 61.4% of the time (14.65 weeks of use)

Unit counts
133 Fast charge units installed (Up 2)
531 Slow charge AC units installed (down 2 - all are AC-DC replacements, some were 2 single socket AC units being replaced with DC)

272 of the newer 22kW AC units are now in place.
127 of the old units yet to be replaced, and 15 of those single socket AC units to be replaced too.

AC updates to the new Evolve Smart T unit - Seems I might be missing a couple of these (blanch didn't pop up for me). My best guess is some AC units are being reused in new locations, when their original site gets a DC upgrade (Blanch unit was originally in Skibbereen afaik)
Town Hall Car Park, Off Barrow Track, Carlow Town, Carlow
Quinsborough Road, Bray, Wicklow
Bachelor's Walk, Wicklow, Wicklow
Hollybank Road, Drumcondra, Dublin 9
Mill Road, Blanchardstown, Dublin

AC units upgraded to DC - 31 of the 50 delivered Bit of a vague number, this is 31 of those units installed, but they're being installed at the "hubs" too.
Norton House Car Park, Cork Road, Skibbereen, Co. Cork
Off Haggard Street, Trim, Meath

New FCP
None

June Update
CCS/CHAdeMO split
My stats say, over the last 2 weeks:
CHAdeMO has been occupied 37.7% of the time. (11.58 weeks of use)
CCS the other 62.3% of the time (19.10 weeks of use)

Unit counts
3 Ultra fast chargers (Up 3)
135 Fast charge units installed (Up 2)
527 Slow charge AC units installed (down 4 - all are AC-DC replacements, some were 2 single socket AC units being replaced with DC)

272 of the newer 22kW AC units are now in place.
124 of the old units yet to be replaced, and 15 of those single socket AC units to be replaced too.

AC updates to the new Evolve Smart T unit
Newry & Mourne Museum (Bagenal's Castle), Abbey Way (A28), Newry, Down
Strand Road, Londonderry, Derry/Londonderry
Carlisle Road, Derry City, United Kingdom
Victoria Market Car Park, Off Queens Quay Roundabout, Londonderry, Derry/Londonderry

AC units upgraded to DC - 34 of the 50 delivered Bit of a vague number, this is 34 of those units installed, but they're being installed at the "hubs" too.
Park Pointe Shopping Centre, Glenageary Road Upper, Dun Laoghaire, Dublin
Justice Walsh Car Park, Off Bank Lane, Letterkenny, Donegal
Off Lower Main Street, Dungloe, Donegal
Laffins Lane Car Park, Via Lower Main Street or Castle Park, Arklow, Wicklow

New FCP
Mayfield X3 ultra fast chargers

MightyMunster

Main issue for me is most DC chargers are single units. Just not suitable for planning longer trips. There's a reason Tesla, Ionity, Fastnet etc put in multiple units. Ecars should be doing what they've done at J14 all on major routes

ELM327

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Just use this forum sure

We should set up a boards EV group as a registered lobby group.

Couldnt do any worse of a job than the only 1 competitor!

ELM327

McGiver wrote: »

There's no other official, orgnised, registred EV lobby group AFAIK.

Yes this is part of the problem.

the_amazing_raisin

McGiver wrote: »

There's no other official, orgnised, registred EV lobby group AFAIK.

Just use this forum sure

McGiver

MJohnston wrote: »

Just purely out of curiosity, here's those figures weighted by population density (units are CCS connectors per person per square km, I suppose):

Ireland 1.18 to 1.53
Belgium 0.26 to 0.52
Croatia 1.03 to 5.48
Czechia 0.79 to 3.74
Finland 3.24 to 16.19*
Slovakia 0.44 to 1.75
Sweden 8.24 to 26.22*

*gave the pop. density of these a conservative adjustment on the basis that significant swathes of their countries aren't inhabited.

Per sq km is irrelevant, you would have to calculate also population density, traffic flows etc etc, that's for a disertation paper...if you ask me.

Even per sq, you can see they multiplied their CCS connectors in last 2.5 years. However you look at it, they all did multiples of what they add, we added 20%. The 20% is a failure and a missed opportunity - they all had Covid but they built chargers like crazy.

The only countries that didn't grow multiples were Portugal and Denmark btw.

McGiver

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I guess that if IEVOA starts asking difficult questions then the ESB will stop talking to them and might talk to a diffeent EV owners group, which would make IEVOA as irrelevant to the ESB as it is to EV owners

There's no other official, orgnised, registred EV lobby group AFAIK.

McGiver

Silent Running wrote: »

If the IEVOA came out strong and criticised government and ESB for the poor performance we might get somewhere. But their view seems to be that everything's grand.

They has a rep from the ESB on one of their videos a while ago, saying that they've drawn down €1M of the €10m available to them. I was waiting for someone to ask him why it was only €1M when so much work could be done. But then I realised that... everything's grand. :rolleyes:

I'd sign this...absolutely agree.
IEVOA are not lobbying enough for critical legislation - cut red tape for charge installation, mandating charger installation for certain entities/settings, legislating subsidies/perks a la Norway etc.

What's worse, they totally fail holding Ecars into account, e.g. by scrutinising the plans vs the results (bang for the buck and if taxpayers money is well invested), and also by bringing international comparisons into play showing how poorly Ireland compares & performs vs other European countries (just as I did in my 10 minutes of reasearch and write up).

ELM327

As a former member of the committee of that IEVOA group and current paid member I don't feel that they do enough questioning of ecars for the lets be honest woeful charger rollout especially given that public money is concerned. I feel that the committee is let down by a lack of coordination and some legacy members not resigning their roles years after their interest and commitment has clearly waned. They got some new committee members and do some interesting events but as an advocacy lobby group they are, were, and will be as bad as ecars anna is at replying.

the_amazing_raisin

Silent Running wrote: »

If the IEVOA came out strong and criticised government and ESB for the poor performance we might get somewhere. But their view seems to be that everything's grand.

They has a rep from the ESB on one of their videos a while ago, saying that they've drawn down €1M of the €10m available to them. I was waiting for someone to ask him why it was only €1M when so much work could be done. But then I realised that... everything's grand. :rolleyes:

I guess that if IEVOA starts asking difficult questions then the ESB will stop talking to them and might talk to a diffeent EV owners group, which would make IEVOA as irrelevant to the ESB as it is to EV owners

AndyBoBandy

Silent Running wrote: »

If the IEVOA came out strong and criticised government and ESB for the poor performance we might get somewhere. But their view seems to be that everything's grand.

They has a rep from the ESB on one of their videos a while ago, saying that they've drawn down €1M of the €10m available to them. I was waiting for someone to ask him why it was only €1M when so much work could be done. But then I realised that... everything's grand. :rolleyes:

I think I watched that video too, and quite frankly it should have been banned, as I didn't think someone having their balls caressed was allowed to be uploaded onto YouTube.... because that's what the eCars guy had... he had his balls caressed and tickled by the lads asking the questions.....

Everything is indeed Grand!

Silent Running

If the IEVOA came out strong and criticised government and ESB for the poor performance we might get somewhere. But their view seems to be that everything's grand.

They has a rep from the ESB on one of their videos a while ago, saying that they've drawn down €1M of the €10m available to them. I was waiting for someone to ask him why it was only €1M when so much work could be done. But then I realised that... everything's grand. :rolleyes:

liamog

bodgerfederer wrote: »

Wish i'd had those stats to hand a few hours earlier when i wrote my second scathing letter of the month to our (Green!) Minister of Transport.

...

I'd encourage everyone to do this. My letter (and subsequent reply to the response which basically outlined the ecars plan and expressed the hope that this would help me) challenged the Minister to have some kind of legacy or have voters give up on voting for the Greens.
They're in it for votes and ego.

You won't get anywhere with the Irish Green Party, too many of them believe the oil industry myths around lithium ion mining and cobalt supply. They're an anti car party and instead of the pragmatic approach of a EV is better than an ICE, they'd rather you kept the diesel on the road instead.

bodgerfederer

"Belgium - from 100 to 200 CCS
Croatia - from 75 to 400 CCS
Czechia - from 110 to 520 CCS
Finland - from 80 to 400 CCS
Slovakia - from 50 to 200 CCS
Sweden - from 220 to 700 CCS

That's 100s of % growth in all of these countries. All of them bar Sweden were even with or worse than Ireland 2.5 years ago in terms of CCS connectors and look where they are now. "[/B]

Wish i'd had those stats to hand a few hours earlier when i wrote my second scathing letter of the month to our (Green!) Minister of Transport.

I don't know why i bother sometimes but:

" The only way to get this to happen is to put pressure on councillors (either from below by harassing mailing/calling them or from above by contacting TDs/ministers and getting them to set targets). Over 13% of the new passenger cars sold in the first half of this year have a plug, and this will only increase."

I'd encourage everyone to do this. My letter (and subsequent reply to the response which basically outlined the ecars plan and expressed the hope that this would help me) challenged the Minister to have some kind of legacy or have voters give up on voting for the Greens.
They're in it for votes and ego.

innrain

As the Czech Republic or Slovakia has much traffic pass through. And even so it is unfair to count the plugs because ours are low power. Some would avoid the 50kW as they are too slow.
We have the 350kW (theoretical) which delivers 60kW and 150kW temporarily limited to 50kW since last August. Then the upgraded AC units from Stillorgan which downgraded the DC charger adjacent. From the 4333 cars sold in 2021, I bet 3000 are capable of charging >100kW. The question is where? Maybe overseas after July 19th.
So maybe kW/no of EVs would be a more appropriate metric.

MJohnston

UID0 wrote: »

CCS Connectors per person per square km isn't an appropriate measurement though. It doesn't take into account that countries in mainland Europe have a much higher level of traffic flowing through them than we have here.

The irony of you telling me this, I’ve been going on about it for ages

In fairness though, Finland and Sweden do not have much pass-through traffic like that.

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

The only thing positive about this is that we now know the specific plan this time. The numbers and the time frame.

We've known this was the plan since January of 2019. The first post on this thread discusses it.
The only difference between the two quotes is that over 50 is now 52. And instead of breaking the HPC's into six 8 car hubs, 16 four car hubs, and 34 additional HPCs, we get 90 (6x4 + 16x2 + 34).

They've not changed the approach since then, and it was always going to be a 3 year delivery project as seen by the tenders issued mid 2019.

July '21 wrote:

**ESB rollout**
Currently mostly chargers are operated by the ESB
€10 million was committed from the Climate Action Fund (CAF) to support ESB investment in the charging network and this has leveraged a further €10 million investment from ESB. This intervention alone will result in:
- 90 additional high power chargers, each capable of charging two vehicles
- 52 additional fast chargers, which may replace existing standard chargers
- 264 replacement standard chargers with more modern technology and with each consisting of two charge points
The project is due to be completed in 2022.

Jan '19 wrote:

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

UID0

MJohnston wrote: »

Just purely out of curiosity, here's those figures weighted by population density (units are CCS connectors per person per square km, I suppose):

Ireland 1.18 to 1.53
Belgium 0.26 to 0.52
Croatia 1.03 to 5.48
Czechia 0.79 to 3.74
Finland 3.24 to 16.19*
Slovakia 0.44 to 1.75
Sweden 8.24 to 26.22*

*gave the pop. density of these a conservative adjustment on the basis that significant swathes of their countries aren't inhabited.

CCS Connectors per person per square km isn't an appropriate measurement though. It doesn't take into account that countries in mainland Europe have a much higher level of traffic flowing through them than we have here. Czechia has to cater for traffic flowing from Germany to Austria if they are travelling through Czechia. This gives a greater incentive for commercial operators to set up charging facilities. The two countries on your list that would be closest to Ireland in terms of usage profile would be Finland & Sweden, and you've adjusted their figures to account for uninhabited areas. The viability for commercial operators is not determined by the queues on summer Sunday afternoon. If there is a very low level of usage during the week, then there will not be enough income to justify installing chargers.

In Ireland, the aim (at the moment) is to increase uptake among users with home and/or work charging, and having a rapid charge network which will facilitate them travelling longer distances. The increase in the number of EVs on the road in the last 2 years has stretched the network past its capacity, and this needs to be improved, but what is really missing is any sort of long term plan. There should be a list of locations that are going to have hubs to facilitate intercity travel in the future (should really be managed by TII). We have some, but it seems very piecemeal and unplanned. At a minimum, all of the TII motorway services should have an eCars hub (proper hub with multiple chargers) and the facility for one or more commercial operators to establish hubs.
Local councils should be planning how they are going to facilitate charging for residents with no off-street parking, and at what level of market penetration this will be provided. The only way to get this to happen is to put pressure on councillors (either from below by harassing mailing/calling them or from above by contacting TDs/ministers and getting them to set targets). Over 13% of the new passenger cars sold in the first half of this year have a plug, and this will only increase.
A visible plan, even if it will take years to implement completely, will give greater certainty to prospective purchasers on how/when they will be able to run an electric car.

Our current tax system does not encourage company car drivers who are driving long daily distances to switch from diesel to electric, unless they are able to complete their entire days driving on an overnight charge, or can charge at their work locations during the day. There needs to be an incentive for them to plan their day around charging that isn't there at the moment. The higher their mileage, the lower the BIK they would be paying on a company car, and also the greater impact charging would have on their working day (not being certain of the availability of a charger at the time/location needed). the BIK exemption really only suits low mileage drivers. This limits weekday demand for rapid chargers, and negatively impacts on the viability of commercial rapid charging.

TLDR: Our number of chargers won't increase until the number of weekday high mileage drivers increases, and the number of weekday high mileage drivers won't increase until the number of chargers increase.

MJohnston

McGiver wrote: »

Basically nothing has been done bar Ionity and cosmetic changes since 2019.
About 25 connectors added in last 2.5 years. From roughly 85 CCS in January 2019 to 110 CCS today. That's completely inadequate.

Just to compare, here is the growth stats of CCS connectors since January 2019 in selected countries (I'm picking small-medium countries for a better comparison with Ireland, pointless talking UK, France or Germany):

Belgium - from 100 to 200 CCS
Croatia - from 75 to 400 CCS
Czechia - from 110 to 520 CCS
Finland - from 80 to 400 CCS
Slovakia - from 50 to 200 CCS
Sweden - from 220 to 700 CCS

Just purely out of curiosity, here's those figures weighted by population density (units are CCS connectors per person per square km, I suppose):

Ireland 1.18 to 1.53
Belgium 0.26 to 0.52
Croatia 1.03 to 5.48
Czechia 0.79 to 3.74
Finland 3.24 to 16.19*
Slovakia 0.44 to 1.75
Sweden 8.24 to 26.22*

*gave the pop. density of these a conservative adjustment on the basis that significant swathes of their countries aren't inhabited.

McGiver

innrain wrote: »

From the link posted in random by cannco253 https://merrionstreet.ie/en/news-room/releases/minister_ryan_announces_funding_approval_for_on-street_charge_points_for_electric_vehicles.html

we have some figures that I never saw before:

**ESB rollout**
Currently mostly chargers are operated by the ESB
€10 million was committed from the Climate Action Fund (CAF) to support ESB investment in the charging network and this has leveraged a further €10 million investment from ESB. This intervention alone will result in:
- 90 additional high power chargers, each capable of charging two vehicles
- 52 additional fast chargers, which may replace existing standard chargers
- 264 replacement standard chargers with more modern technology and with each consisting of two charge points
The project is due to be completed in 2022.

The only thing positive about this is that we now know the specific plan this time. The numbers and the time frame.

But it is not ambitious enough and at this stage pathetic. Adding 140 CCS connectors in 2 years isn't sufficient given the current deficit and the expected EV sales. Also, not inline with the Gov plan fo 1M EVs by 2030. This is a total failure to plan ahead.

Basically nothing has been done bar Ionity and cosmetic changes since 2019.
About 25 connectors added in last 2.5 years. From roughly 85 CCS in January 2019 to 110 CCS today. That's completely inadequate.

Just to compare, here is the growth stats of CCS connectors since January 2019 in selected countries (I'm picking small-medium countries for a better comparison with Ireland, pointless talking UK, France or Germany):

Belgium - from 100 to 200 CCS
Croatia - from 75 to 400 CCS
Czechia - from 110 to 520 CCS
Finland - from 80 to 400 CCS
Slovakia - from 50 to 200 CCS
Sweden - from 220 to 700 CCS

That's 100s of % growth in all of these countries. All of them bar Sweden were even with or worse than Ireland 2.5 years ago in terms of CCS connectors and look where they are now.

If they continue with this pace then by 2022, and a big IF, this eCars project is delivered on time, there will have been just 250 CCS connectors (bar Ionity and 3rd parties) in Ireland. Whereas similarly sized countries will have had double, tripple, quadrupple numbers...

We really need to keep highlighting how poor has the ECars project have been and demand more for taxpayers money. ECars will have to do much more to justify our taxpayers money invested.

Note: all connector data taken from https://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/

kennethsmyth

whippet wrote: »

now this is becoming complicated !!

Are the charging units well marked?

So in essence if I go to a 50w charger and there is someone using the CCS plug I need to wait in line until they are finished or can I use a slow charge while waiting?

On the flip side - If I am charging and someone plugs in a CCS will it stop my car from charging ?

Firstly I have seen this happen both when a ccs plugs in and cuts off the chademo and also a chademo plugs in and cuts off ccs. In France it generally shares the charge but with 50kw its a pain - I'd rather it just charges one at higher level.

3 heads on the rapid chargers Chademo, CCS, Type 2.

You can do the following without cutting off anyone.

Chademo and Type 2
CCS and Type 2
But not Chademo and CCS at same time.

Essentially the Chademo and CCS are DC and the type 2 is AC

zg3409

mfceiling wrote: »

Would all CHAdeMO drivers be aware that if they plugged in then it stops the CCS charging? Can the ESB fix this problem?

It seems to be a bug. Most chademo drivers would not be aware. It is hard for esb to fix as the manufacturer of the charger would need to identify problem and issue an update. Then esb would probably need to visit each charger and update software. Most chargers with this problem are old and obsolete with no new parts available.

ESB did issue an update for the double head with 22kW AC to allow better load sharing but they said the software fix would only be on future installations, not older already installed units, so it's unlikely they would bother.

Many "users" hit the emergency stop to cut off existing user and then start charging themselves, or ring esb to stop existing charging session so software is not only issue.