Wimbledon 2021 Monday, June 28 - Sunday, July 11 2021

klr87 wrote: »

I don't think it really helps Tomljanovic that this evening's match finished quickly. The gulf in class between Barty and her is huge. In over a decade on the tour, she has yet to win a title: She's lost 4 finals, all at International (aka WTA 250) level, equivalent to ATP 250 for the men. She has only once previously been past the 2nd round of a slam (4th round of the French in 2014), and only just managed to crack the top 40 in the rankings at her peak. She's had injury troubles, but so have many players around that long.

I agree that Kerber - Muchova and Jabeur - Sabalenka are the pick of the women's matches tomorrow, and also that it's about time Pliskova went deep here. I've watched some of Golubic, and her game seems suited to grass.

Krejčíková hadn't done much before winning the FO, so I don't think it matters that much in the women's game, a lot of recent slams have seen outsiders either reach or even win slam finals.

Joe_ Public

I've seen all Bartys matches and can't say I've been blown away by her exactly. Efficient rather than spectacular but maybe that's all she's needed to be. If serve holds up, she'd be difficult enough to beat. But would want to see her win well in 2.

Sabalenka could well blast jabeur off the court but i don't think that will happen. Could be the tie of the round and i think jabeur might have the cuteness and resilience to shade it.

Rob2D

Girly Gal wrote: »

She definitely needs to learn from this, this could very well be the high point of her career or she could go on to become a top level player, only time will tell. Even for an 18 year old she's fairly inexperienced, she had no top level experience before Wimbledon and only got a wildcard because she's British and then having to wait all day for the biggest game of her short career with the British media ramping up the pressure on her. It obviously was all too much for her, but, a good opportunity to learn from.

Best thing she can do now is take her newfound ranking points and go hard travelling on the tour. Get as far away from England as possible and win a few matches abroad. Get her head together for the US Open.

Having said that, she's been playing since she was 5 years old. Presumably she's played in front of many people before with an aim to get exactly here someday. Hopefully it was just the sudden shock. But if she really is that soft well, as you say this might be as far as she ever goes.

What she also needs fast is a proper coach. A former player that can prepare her the reality of it. Her current coach seems a bit s**t. Also happens to be Andy Murray's father in law.

yerwanthere123

Great QF line-up for the women's half, could even end up with a #1 vs #2 final, which we haven't had for a long time. Difficult not to note that this is Kerber's first slam QF since she won Wimbledon back in 2018, although I've got a sneaky feeling the momentum is with Ons now. Her talent has been talked up for a very long time now, would make sense if she finally makes a big breakthrough.

I would say the men's QF line-up is great also if I had some hope that anyone other than Djokovic can mount a challenge. Perhaps the best hope of someone taking him out is Shapovalov in the SF's? Otherwise we're likely on course for the much-predicted Djokovic-Berrettini final. How mad though would it be if FAA made the final with a 0-8 record and beat Djokovic of all people? Not gonna happen though obv.

Sad to see Raducanu having to pull out tonight. Saw much speculation online that it was likely a panic attack of some form, which I really hope isn't the case. I hope we see a lot more of her in the future.

klr87

Rjd2 wrote: »

Would have been interesting to know Toml's views if she lost as obviously not great for her either.

Luckily for her she is third on court tomorrow and tonight's game did not go the distance.

Anyhow on tomorrow, I'd be getting concerned for Barty if she doesn't handle Tomljanović easily enough. Not see much of Golubic so won't comment to much on that match but about time Pliskova put a run together at this slam.

The other 2 matches though look great, Kerber whose defense is incredible against Muchova who has so much skill while Jabeur with all her variety against Saba with all the power.

I don't think it really helps Tomljanovic that this evening's match finished quickly. The gulf in class between Barty and her is huge. In over a decade on the tour, she has yet to win a title: She's lost 4 finals, all at International (aka WTA 250) level, equivalent to ATP 250 for the men. She has only once previously been past the 2nd round of a slam (4th round of the French in 2014), and only just managed to crack the top 40 in the rankings at her peak. She's had injury troubles, but so have many players around that long.

I agree that Kerber - Muchova and Jabeur - Sabalenka are the pick of the women's matches tomorrow, and also that it's about time Pliskova went deep here. I've watched some of Golubic, and her game seems suited to grass.

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Alberta64 wrote: »

Did Federer shag your wife? Where's all this hostility towards him coming from?

nothing of the sort.

I'm relatively neutral on Federer himself.

Although I do think that he's a bit of a saccharine fake as I've said in the past and incidents like the U.S Open where he called Djokovic "lucky" for hitting a clean winner on match point are instructive on where the "mask slipped".

He was obviously once a very fine player.

it's the fed-hards , not Fed himself.

Rob2D wrote: »

I'm sorry but no. If that's truly the case then someone needs to sit her down after this and give her a serious dose of tough love. She couldn't deal with it today and now the other girl moves on for free. She either hardens up or the next girl who wants it will move past her too. Simple. End of.

During the delay she should have been excited, not able to wait to get out there. If she really was sitting around just dreading it then she shouldn't be playing on the world stage. She'll be eaten alive by girls who want to be there.

Granted she was thrown into the deep end but this is going to be her only chance to learn from the shock. I hope she takes it.

She definitely needs to learn from this, this could very well be the high point of her career or she could go on to become a top level player, only time will tell. Even for an 18 year old she's fairly inexperienced, she had no top level experience before Wimbledon and only got a wildcard because she's British and then having to wait all day for the biggest game of her short career with the British media ramping up the pressure on her. It obviously was all too much for her, but, a good opportunity to learn from.

Rjd2

Girly Gal wrote: »

Agree, waiting around all day certainly didn't help her

Would have been interesting to know Toml's views if she lost as obviously not great for her either.

Luckily for her she is third on court tomorrow and tonight's game did not go the distance.

Anyhow on tomorrow, I'd be getting concerned for Barty if she doesn't handle Tomljanović easily enough. Not see much of Golubic so won't comment to much on that match but about time Pliskova put a run together at this slam.

The other 2 matches though look great, Kerber whose defense is incredible against Muchova who has so much skill while Jabeur with all her variety against Saba with all the power.

Rob2D

I'm sorry but no. If that's truly the case then someone needs to sit her down after this and give her a serious dose of tough love. She couldn't deal with it today and now the other girl moves on for free. She either hardens up or the next girl who wants it will move past her too. Simple. End of.

During the delay she should have been excited, not able to wait to get out there. If she really was sitting around just dreading it then she shouldn't be playing on the world stage. She'll be eaten alive by girls who want to be there.

Granted she was thrown into the deep end but this is going to be her only chance to learn from the shock. I hope she takes it.

Floppybits wrote: »

Ah think you are being unfair there. It was everything around it. The waiting around all day, the build up and the pressure on her at her first big tournament. She should have been on first and the more experienced put on later. Screw the tv got to protect the young players.

Agree, waiting around all day certainly didn't help her

Rob2D wrote: »

No doubt this is what it was. Doesn't bode well for her future if she can't even handle being in a 4th round match.

Ah think you are being unfair there. It was everything around it. The waiting around all day, the build up and the pressure on her at her first big tournament. She should have been on first and the more experienced put on later. Screw the tv got to protect the young players.

BQQ

Might well be Covid either

Rob2D

Augme wrote: »

Wonder if it was a panic/anxiety attack. Was taking very short breathes out there.

No doubt this is what it was. Doesn't bode well for her future if she can't even handle being in a 4th round match.

Mental Mickey

Augme wrote: »

The Brit media obviously don't help. And now straight away talking about how amazing she is going to be in future.

They're the same with the football team too

The Brit media obviously don't help. And now straight away talking about how amazing she is going to be in future.

Augme wrote: »

Wonder if it was a panic/anxiety attack. Was taking very short breathes out there.

It was the build up of waiting around all day to play. She should have been on first.

Wonder if it was a panic/anxiety attack. Was taking very short breathes out there.

klr87 wrote: »

Raducanu retires, obviously not wanting to face the wrath of Tomljanovic.

Joke obviously ...

The scheduling did for raducanu. She should have been on first today and not left waiting around for hours. No wonder the poor girl got sick.

klr87

Raducanu retires, obviously not wanting to face the wrath of Tomljanovic.

Joke obviously ...

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Or it could be wrecking her head, second match in a row

Wasn't expecting that ending

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Or it could be wrecking her head, second match in a row

That was sarcasm.

But not now!

HeidiHeidi

Augme wrote: »

Tomljanovic will be loving this.

Or it could be wrecking her head, second match in a row

Tomljanovic will be loving this.

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Raducanu like like she's going to throw up since the last changeover....

She definitely doesn't look well

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Raducanu doesn't strike me as looking like she's going to mount a comeback here

Khachanov, FAA and Fucsovics all won in five sets today and they are playing opponents who all won in three sets. Big ask to comeback out the next day and compete to a high level.

HeidiHeidi

Raducanu like like she's going to throw up since the last changeover....

Joe_ Public

Shame, she was better player majority of that set from my dodgy eyes anyway. Just didn't take her chances to break when she had them and then faded in the end.

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klr87 wrote: »

Not surprisingly, the quality is poor: Raducanu has at least hit a few winners so far, Tomljanovic none. Somewhere, Ostapenko may be looking at this, not knowing whether to laugh or cry.

a lot of balls hit long on both sides under not a lot of pressure.