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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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brookville

Wexford u20 lose out to 13 man kildare so kilkenny now play kildare.Its not a huge suprise with naas competing underage in kilkenny.David herity doing a good job also.Huge physical team we will have to be tuned in.Well done to them

Galestorm1

Grats wrote: »

I'm guessing Donnelly was fully recovered from his injury. Great to get the game time under his belt now.

John had a hay-fever like issue, wasn't expected to tog out

Charlie69

Alonzo Moseley wrote: »

If we were to get to a final, I'd genuinely fear Tipp as much as Limerick.
Not because they are stronger than Limerick (they aren't) but because they have the players to really hurt us (yet again) where I believe we are weak
We could very easily cop a 3rd hiding in 5 years via the same formula, Tipp full forwards tearing us asunder.

Tipp looked ravenous on Sunday (Sheedy was wired on the sideline) and Limerick have really stung them these last 2 years.
As we know too well, no matter what you say about Tipp, you wont keep beating them endlessly, they are hurting.
I think they are going to give it one hell of a go in Munster final and Limerick will need to be back to their best.

We are likely to get to an AI semi without any sort of test of our full back line (both Wex and Dublin look to hurt you from range).

The thrust of your post is accurate.
We may be fooling ourselves a bit

For me on pure form, consistency, and reliability, just 7 players are certain starters
Murphy
Lawlor
Walsh
Donnelly
Mullen
TJ
Cody

That would be 9 for me if Delaney and Hogan were fit

Everyone else has been hit or miss for 2/3 years.
That's an awful lot of uncertainty.

But we do have real momentum from Saturday, which cannot be denied.
Get lucky with injuries clearing up, be a bit bold in one or two selections (Darren mullen, Adrian to midfield? a springer from nowhere?) and we can go the distance

I also believe we may have seen the first real signs of wear and tear in Limerick on Sat night.
Their marquee names didn't just misfire in terms of accuracy, they were also (not for the first time) petulant with some cheap swipes when things weren't running as smooth as usual for them.
They will probably blow some team out the gates over the next few weeks but I believe they represent lousy value at almost odds on for AI.
And as usual, everyone gets carried away with a winning team's strength in depth (we know this well going back to the cringe stuff a decade ago about our subs being the 2nd best team in the country). This is caused by lads coming in when you are already 12 pts up and naturally fit in comfortably and look world-beaters.
Limerick brought on Conor Boylan, Mulcahy, Reidy and Pat Ryan
No disrespect but none of them are world-beaters.

Another thing that can get inflated when a county is going well is the notion that they are churning out reams of good underage players
Outside of Munster Limerick have now copped 5 absolute hammerings in 3 years at minor level (three to Galway and two to us).
That isn't to say Limerick hurling is not in good shape, it is, but a sense of perspective is needed.

Good Post... I agree regarding the possibility of reaching a semi final without our full back line being properly tested. I like Hugh Lawlor but he's a bit too nice and for some reason referees seem to love penalising him for very harsh calls.

Tommy Walsh is a decent defender but he always looks very uncomfortable on the ball. I know it's a long shot now but I would have loved to have been able to incorporate Conor Delaneys bit of bold and Darren Mullens intelligent use of the ball into our defence.

Alonzo Moseley

Rosita wrote: »

It could be argued strongly that Kilkenny will win a Leinster championship by beating the teams which based on last year's championship would rank 8 and 9 in the top tier. In fact one wise man on another thread would not accept Dublin as a top tier team at all.

Kilkenny have had a good draw really catching a break in Galway losing. Wouldn't have been a single person in Kilkenny not pleased with that result. But Dublin are no world beaters. Galway scored a total of 1-14 against Dublin. You wouldn't get long odds on Reid getting that from frees alone in the Leinster final. Dublin won't get close to winning another game with 1-18. If Eoghan O'Donnell is out Dublin's chances recede further.

The long ball tendency will haunt Kilkenny from the semi-final stage on and might undo them. They will have to come up with more of a mixed style against Limerick (probably in a final) as they are made for that style. But that's a few weeks down the road. Kilkenny's haven't turned into world beaters overnight but they have avoided the qualifiers and have the Leinster final they'd have wanted. The unresolved style of play issues are for another day. Could they win the lottery and see Limerick slip up in their All Ireland semi final? Stranger things have happened.

Anyway, I've courted enough popularity for one day.

If we were to get to a final, I'd genuinely fear Tipp as much as Limerick.
Not because they are stronger than Limerick (they aren't) but because they have the players to really hurt us (yet again) where I believe we are weak
We could very easily cop a 3rd hiding in 5 years via the same formula, Tipp full forwards tearing us asunder.

Tipp looked ravenous on Sunday (Sheedy was wired on the sideline) and Limerick have really stung them these last 2 years.
As we know too well, no matter what you say about Tipp, you wont keep beating them endlessly, they are hurting.
I think they are going to give it one hell of a go in Munster final and Limerick will need to be back to their best.

We are likely to get to an AI semi without any sort of test of our full back line (both Wex and Dublin look to hurt you from range).

The thrust of your post is accurate.
We may be fooling ourselves a bit

For me on pure form, consistency, and reliability, just 7 players are certain starters
Murphy
Lawlor
Walsh
Donnelly
Mullen
TJ
Cody

That would be 9 for me if Delaney and Hogan were fit

Everyone else has been hit or miss for 2/3 years.
That's an awful lot of uncertainty.

But we do have real momentum from Saturday, which cannot be denied.
Get lucky with injuries clearing up, be a bit bold in one or two selections (Darren mullen, Adrian to midfield? a springer from nowhere?) and we can go the distance

I also believe we may have seen the first real signs of wear and tear in Limerick on Sat night.
Their marquee names didn't just misfire in terms of accuracy, they were also (not for the first time) petulant with some cheap swipes when things weren't running as smooth as usual for them.
They will probably blow some team out the gates over the next few weeks but I believe they represent lousy value at almost odds on for AI.
And as usual, everyone gets carried away with a winning team's strength in depth (we know this well going back to the cringe stuff a decade ago about our subs being the 2nd best team in the country). This is caused by lads coming in when you are already 12 pts up and naturally fit in comfortably and look world-beaters.
Limerick brought on Conor Boylan, Mulcahy, Reidy and Pat Ryan
No disrespect but none of them are world-beaters.

Another thing that can get inflated when a county is going well is the notion that they are churning out reams of good underage players
Outside of Munster Limerick have now copped 5 absolute hammerings in 3 years at minor level (three to Galway and two to us).
That isn't to say Limerick hurling is not in good shape, it is, but a sense of perspective is needed.

Comerman

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I get that there's going to be a home bias on local broadcasts but it was comically bad on the Offaly stream of the minor Leinster Final last Saturday. Fair play to our own Ciaran Neary for remaining diplomatic and not challenging them, don't think i would have had the same patience!

It was funny to hear the commentator saying you'd think the ref would have given Offaly the free as they were losing by so much :-)

Rosita

Swamp_Cat wrote: »

Really thought we were beginning to get away from nonstop long ball. There were signs in a few matches, usually in the 1st half before reverting back to lumping high balls down. But not seeing it. I don't want them to be like some teams but they have the talent to mix it up a lot more..

It could be argued strongly that Kilkenny will win a Leinster championship by beating the teams which based on last year's championship would rank 8 and 9 in the top tier. In fact one wise man on another thread would not accept Dublin as a top tier team at all.

Kilkenny have had a good draw really catching a break in Galway losing. Wouldn't have been a single person in Kilkenny not pleased with that result. But Dublin are no world beaters. Galway scored a total of 1-14 against Dublin. You wouldn't get long odds on Reid getting that from frees alone in the Leinster final. Dublin won't get close to winning another game with 1-18. If Eoghan O'Donnell is out Dublin's chances recede further.

The long ball tendency will haunt Kilkenny from the semi final stage on and might undo them. They will have to come up with more of a mixed style against Limerick (probably in a final) as they are made for that style. But that's a few weeks down the road. Kilkenny's haven't turned into world beaters overnight but they have avoided the qualifiers and have the Leinster final they'd have wanted. The unresolved style of play issues are for another day. Could they win the lottery and see Limerick slip up in their All Ireland semi final? Stranger things have happened.

Anyway, I've courted enough popularity for one day.

babyjesus14

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Well if our lads our biased I don't know what we'd call the Offaly crowd calling the minor match on Saturday on the stream. I think Michael is insightful he's a passionate hurling man and might get a bit carried away. I can't ever remember him calling a game when Kilkenny are two points up. Ronnie on the other had is like a scatter gun. If you want excitement but to not know whats happening Ronnie is your man. He regularly gets lads names wrong in games. This would be understandable if it's the opposition but he often calls the wrong player for Kilkenny.

I get that there's going to be a home bias on local broadcasts but it was comically bad on the Offaly stream of the minor Leinster Final last Saturday. Fair play to our own Ciaran Neary for remaining diplomatic and not challenging them, don't think i would have had the same patience!

Speak Now

Grats wrote: »

This photo from Saturday's match made it into the European Sports Photos of the week.

Straight red for the invisible man.

Grats

This photo from Saturday's match made it into the European Sports Photos of the week.

tbiggertycome

brookville wrote: »

Jeez he is very poor and fierce biased.Ronnie gets wound up aswell and you wouldn't know if it was a 65 or a sideline cut to the home or away team he can be all over the place at times.

Well if our lads our biased I don't know what we'd call the Offaly crowd calling the minor match on Saturday on the stream. I think Michael is insightful he's a passionate hurling man and might get a bit carried away. I can't ever remember him calling a game when Kilkenny are two points up. Ronnie on the other had is like a scatter gun. If you want excitement but to not know whats happening Ronnie is your man. He regularly gets lads names wrong in games. This would be understandable if it's the opposition but he often calls the wrong player for Kilkenny.

brookville

bamayang wrote: »

Any match kk go 2 points ahead (regularly in the first half) Michael Walsh “Well, I think we can call this a kk victory for sure”

Jeez he is very poor and fierce biased.Ronnie gets wound up aswell and you wouldn't know if it was a 65 or a sideline cut to the home or away team he can be all over the place at times.

brookville

blackcard wrote: »

Great to have a victory and a hard won victory.
Not sure why dummy teams are being named?
We are still lumping long balls into our forwards.
Good to get another match under the belt of Adrian Mullen, impressed with his workrate. Also impressed with the workrate and effectiveness of Wally who I didn't think should be playing.
Apart from his mistake leading to the penalty, Paddy Deegan did okay imo.
Darragh Corcoran to start against Dublin?
Our midfield and half backs didn't hurl a lot of ball.
50/50 match against Dublin, impressed with their half forward line

It was a very enjoyable match and it must be said fergal horgan was excellent.James owens is in hot water and alan kelly didn't get games for a while after the controversial ghost goal he gave tipp against Waterford.Referees should explain themselves but good refs like hofgam usually consult with their umpires and linesmen.Owens should of consulted with his linesman but like the all Ireland a few years ago maybe he likes to be in the spotlight.
I felt sorry for clare but it wasn't a penalty but clare got the breaks last week against Waterford and made hay with when Shane fives went off.
I agree about naming the dummy team I think most questioned it Friday night and by Saturday afternoon word was getting around.It was harmless enough to be honest and it's not like we had a complete outsider starting that would cause havoc and completely throw wexford off.I think truth be told davey definitely spooks cody a bit but cody will be absolutely delighted to get the win over him.We learned from two years ago when wexford scored the goal Saturday we didn't panic.We mixed the long and short ball we just need to find the balance but we definitely are adopting.
It was also silly stuff from davey saying mcgarry nearly came down to celebrate in front of him.It looks like a deflection cause he didn't trust his bench and restarted lads who were completely bet and ended up carrying them off.Davey and bulfin are far from angels.I don't think he will be storing anything this year either I don't see wexford getting to an Ireland final from this position.
Our fitness levels were very good at the weekend so they deserve credit.We were all quick to point out our callopse last year but when wexford were going down cramping we were still going strong.The wexford running style requires huge fitness levels and we overtook it on Saturday.
On to the Dublin match alot of people including myself didn't see this coming.If eoin o donnell is missing he will be a huge loss but they will get huge confidence from the galway win.They will give us plenty of it and are in the u20 final against cork.Dublin have really put it up to us the last few years.We were lucky in parnell Park a few years ago and last year we were hanging on and even in the league this year Dublin were very wasteful.
Sutcliffe is back to his 2013 levels.Dublin had their homework done they kept cathal mannion quite something we have struggled with over the last few years.They know they got their match ups wrong last year and we codded them putting tj inside so they will have their homework done.
Despite us hurling very well Saturday there is a few positions up for grabs especially when all our subs were so influential.James maher came from no where and was really good.If we could get delaney and Darren mullen fit they would strengthen our defence and mullen could even play as a defence midfielder he is so intelligent.
Eoin cody really announced himself he was outstanding and is a huge find for us.He showed huge maturity for a 20 year old.Adrian mullen worked extremely hard.limerick still ahead of the pack but similar to the last few years there's a number of teams capable of beating each other on a given day especially when you don't take your chances or aren't fully tuned in.

blackcard

Minor All Ireland Final 2020 Kilkenny against Galway being televised on zTG4 at 5pm next Saturday

C__MC

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where do ye all rank TJ among the all time Kilkenny greats?

Greatest of all time, watch him last year against waterford, done the work of six forwards. A true great. A shame he hasn't had a decent team around him in his later years.

[Deleted User]

Speak Now wrote: »

It was hard enough listening in real-time, I think they forget they are on radio at times.

Ronan forgets that he is on radio anyway.

blackcard

Deleted User wrote: »

Where do ye all rank TJ among the all time Kilkenny greats?

He would have to be right up there with Eddie Keher, DJ and Henry. Probably the best free taker alone with Keher. Best in the air. Up there with Henry as regards workrate. Great team player as were Henry and DJ. Henry the best motivator. TJ best sideline taker. TJ the best in a ruck
DJ was the best goalgetter and the fastest, the most electric. Keher the best penalty taker. I thought that TJ's injury in the 2012 All Ireland final set him back for 2 years and he maybe lost a fraction of speed.
We have been steeped for the last 30 years to have one great following another

Swamp_Cat

Grats wrote: »

I'm guessing Donnelly was fully recovered from his injury. Great to get the game time under his belt now.

Quickly becoming my favorite player outside of TJ. What a workhorse & boy can he line someone up & make them see stars. Tons of turnovers created by him. Rarely makes clumsy tackles. Can shoot. Great hands in ruck 2nd only to TJ. Absolutely brilliant player. Hoping Henry can get TTown over the line this year.

Swamp_Cat

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Gaago you can watch them back

Gaago is not very good at detecting VPN use so if you've access to a service w/server's not in the ROI you should be fine.

bamayang

Speak Now wrote: »

It was hard enough listening in real-time, I think they forget they are on radio at times.

Any match kk go 2 points ahead (regularly in the first half) Michael Walsh “Well, I think we can call this a kk victory for sure”

blackcard

Great to have a victory and a hard won victory.
Not sure why dummy teams are being named?
We are still lumping long balls into our forwards.
Good to get another match under the belt of Adrian Mullen, impressed with his workrate. Also impressed with the workrate and effectiveness of Wally who I didn't think should be playing.
Apart from his mistake leading to the penalty, Paddy Deegan did okay imo.
Darragh Corcoran to start against Dublin?
Our midfield and half backs didn't hurl a lot of ball.
50/50 match against Dublin, impressed with their half forward line

[Deleted User]

Where do ye all rank TJ among the all time Kilkenny greats?

greenspurs

Was there on Sat.

I thought the 'tactic' of allowing the Wex backs have the ball from their keeper for the puck outs was a bit mystifing at the time, especially when our backs could not win the resulting ball down, nor the breaking ball off that either!

The amount of space left in behind our very high back line in the second half was strange to see too, resulted in them getting the pen when the two boys went for the same high ball and missed it.

Same work by Eoin Cody + Tj off the ball also.
Id say our S&C were happy to see our lads still going well into extra time while the wexford lads were dropping like flies !!

Great win... Great game.

Grats

ttowncat wrote: »

Anyone in the know as to why j donnelly didnt start on sunday? Would have thought he'd be in the top 3 starters up front. Knock,.niggle, form, fitness or .... tactic?

Obvious hindsight would show that the 3 ballyhale lads are the top 3.starting forwards...

I'm guessing Donnelly was fully recovered from his injury. Great to get the game time under his belt now.

ttowncat

Anyone in the know as to why j donnelly didnt start on sunday? Would have thought he'd be in the top 3 starters up front. Knock,.niggle, form, fitness or .... tactic?

Obvious hindsight would show that the 3 ballyhale lads are the top 3.starting forwards...

Speak Now

Sirsok wrote: »

If any use, you can listen to audio here with Adrien Ronan & Micheal Walsh here

https://scoreline.ie/listen-back-kilkenny-v-wexford-leinster-senior-hurling-championship-semi-final/

It was hard enough listening in real-time, I think they forget they are on radio at times.

[Deleted User]

deadybai wrote: »

Is there any way of re-watching yesterdays game?

If any use, you can listen to audio here with Adrien Ronan & Micheal Walsh here

https://scoreline.ie/listen-back-kilkenny-v-wexford-leinster-senior-hurling-championship-semi-final/

dastardly00

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Gaago you can watch them back

That won't work if you are in Ireland. Because the match was shown on Sky, then it could be watched on GAAGO only if the viewer was outside of Ireland.

Realt Dearg Sec

deadybai wrote: »

Is there any way of re-watching yesterdays game?

Gaago you can watch them back

[Deleted User]

Have a lad working with us did up Brian Cody's best 10 victories as manager. Be great to give some feedback to him if ya have any thoughts!

https://scoreline.ie/top-10-ranking-brian-codys-greatest-victories-as-kilkenny-manager/

Also got to sit with Eddie Brennan recently in his first pod since he left Laois if interested

https://scoreline.ie/the-clash-act-26-eddie-brennan-kilkennys-8-time-all-ireland-winner-4-time-all-star/

deadybai

Is there any way of re-watching yesterdays game?